As a more or less casual reader of various web sites that are populated by ex-Scientologists and people who are just opposed to Scientology in principle, it's often difficult to get a firm grip on exactly what (if anything) will come of all this internet activity. For the most part the impression I get is that the more active sites just report information and then there are anywhere from a few to a few hundred follow-up comments before the information gets dated and then buried in the flurry of new reports of further transgressions.
At the risk of being overly critical of people who I agree with... in large part anyway... I'm inclined to think most of what I've read over the last two decades hasn't really accomplished much in whatever the collective goal of the anti-Scientology movement might be.
Case in point - Marty Rathbun's blog. Here we have this guy who admits to heinous crimes and deeds against Scientologists all while serving at the whim of the guy who seemingly is universally reviled out here. So he blows and then resurfaces as not only an outspoken critic, but also as an opinion leader in the anti-Scientology internet universe.
Which is fine. I'm not posting this to be critical of Rathbun, but sheesh... the shit the guy admits to is pretty serious. And now he's a hero? Okay. So I read his blog pretty much every week, as time allows, and a pattern emerges: it's all pretty much the same. Day in and day out it's this super-secret cadre of RTC operatives working under orders from the COB with the intent of wreaking havoc in Rathbun's life and thwarting him from doing whatever it is he is planning on doing that will bring down the CST, RTC, CofS and all the super suppressives who have stolen the "tech" away from whoever owned it to begin with.
And this has been going on now for two years? Or more?
So about a month or two back Rathbun posted a supposedly secret directive on his blog that was highly incriminating of the current management. I was amazed he had a copy of a supposedly secret internal document and the only possible source would be some upper management person. So I posted a comment asking him directly to source the document. He responded that doing so would compromise the person who provided it.
Does that make any sense to you? Because it doesn't to me. If there is a disaffected senior management person providing Rathbun with confidential directives then why haven't they taken what they know and scurried off to help put an end to the criminal enterprise? And why hasn't Rathbun done for this person what he did for himself? Fled to freedom.
Okay. I was content to just read what the guy has to say and it's this daily/weekly report on all the failed efforts of Miscavige and his henchmen to put a stop to Rathbun. Talking to his wife's co-workers, ordering pizza and having it delivered, hacking into SABRE (airline reservations) threatening phone calls and so on and so forth. I'm open enough to want to know more specifically how he can prove that these assaults are currently taking place but skeptical enough to not wholly believe them until he provides something more than just his words and some videos of the PI's who followed him around a couple of years ago.
I don't doubt for a second that Miscavige spent money and allocated personnel to try and dead agent Rathbun or mitigate any potential effect he might have on the CofS. What I can't quite get a grasp of is exactly what threat does Rathbun represent to the CofS? I mean other than the fact that he writes almost daily that he is a valid threat... what exactly is the danger he represents? He's already gone on TV and been interviewed extensively that he willing (and apparently gleefully) beat the dog tar out of people on command. He admits to a ton of evil shit that theoretically ought to have gone a long way towards breaking the allegations against DM and the CofS wide-open.
But no such thing has happened.
So last week Rathbun is back on his kind of weird fascination with the Tom Cruise-David Miscavige love fest and he posts a bunch of images of an office that is allegedly Cruise's and allegedly paid for and hand-built by SO RPF people. Then he follows up this week with more images of the airplane hanger the office is attached to and states it was paid for and built by slave Sea Org labor as a gift from Miscavige to Cruise. Damn! Those were some pretty incriminating photos if they were documented with credible data that RPF people did the work as slaves and that CofS paid for the materials, engineering and so forth. This kind of stuff would be absolutely explosive.
Having been "put in my place" before by Rathbun on his own blog, I decided I would really like to know if the photos and allegations had been sourced. After all, what would be the point of keeping the data secret? All that does is extend the servitude of the RPF slaves and give Miscavige more time to acquire and spend Scientology money.
Makes sense, right? If I'm wrong, tell me... I have a tough hide.
So I put this comment on Rathbun's blog:
As I asked before on another of your posts, I just want to know the sources that document this hanger and decorations were built by SO staff at no expense to Cruise. I’m also curious about the office you displayed in the blog a few days ago.
In addition, where did the images come from?
It’s certainly not my desire to try and debunk or disparage what you say here, but I’ve been active on the internet since 1990 and if I’ve learned one thing – it’s that anyone can say anything and whether it’s a true thing or not, some will be inclined to believe it with no need for sourcing of the claim and some (like me) will take things more seriously when hard data backs up the claim.
Overall, I am more inclined to believe that Miscavige and Cruise have a mutual back-scratching relationship. I don’t know Cruise personally so I’m at a disadvantage there. I have met Miscavige on several occasions and had a very brief, very intense event involving him… the San Francisco Mission Holders Conference in 1982. So not much would surprise me regarding his unethical and criminal activities. But, like most, I don’t like surprises. As much as I’d like to forward some of what you claim to dozens of people and family that are still heavily involved with Scientology, I personally need to be able to back up what I reveal to them. If I decide to push them, that is. Without hard facts any attempt on my part to use these claims to influence my friends will result in a “he said – she said” stalemate.
I do understand that your stance is that revealing sources would have some negative impact on the lives of those sources… but without knowing more about how this data gets out while actual people like Heber can’t get out creates a bit of a mystery for me and makes posts like this little more than a rap session where everyone agrees how terrible things are.
Help me out here Marty? Source this stuff and let some of us pop a few more people out into the real world.
Understanding that Rathbun owns the blog and that he has a dedicated following of people who take anything he says at face value, I didn't want to appear critical of him. I've seen what happens when someone criticizes the owner and respected creator of blogs as popular as Rathbun's. I also hoped that he might think about actually using this information he claims is real to help free some of those slaves.
He responded thusly:
Sorry pal. If you need more than is already out there – and most particularly on this blog, including its links where you can see the sources under questioning – you may as well wait for an enchanted fairy to come around and sprinkle wake-up dust on those you want to pop out into the real world.
Uh, okay. I'll be the first to admit I haven't taken the time to read every post on his blog and watch every video or click on every link. Although, a lot of his clickable links just take you to other posts on his blog. What I was trying to convey is that just throwing a bunch of images on a blog and claiming that Scientology slave labor built the place and paid for it doesn't make it so.
That's why I wanted credible sourcing of the claims.
So how about you people here? Some of you appear to have spent quite a bit more time researching and reading about these issues. So I'm soliciting advice and even opinion here.
Why haven't any of these "horrid" revelations ended up in criminal charges being brought against the CofS?
If there are reliable sources inside upper Scn management with access to incriminating documentation... why are they sending it to Rathbun instead of turning it over to the proper state and federal authorities so action can be taken to free people like Heber and the reportedly hundreds of others who are virtual slaves to the Sea Org?
And the big one... for me anyway... other than the occasional TV program like the upcoming BBC Panorama, is there any reliable, funded and competent group or organization that is actively pursuing bringing an end to such things as the Sea Org, the RTC, the RPF and further... to take all this supposedly leaked information and get Miscavige prosecuted and the funds he has apparently purloined returned to ethical and fully-vetted replacements for him in upper Scientology management.
Feel free to direct my attention anywhere it hasn't been sent already. I'm a quick study but I've already read the generalities and the complaints. Send me to where I need to go to actually help do something.
At the risk of being overly critical of people who I agree with... in large part anyway... I'm inclined to think most of what I've read over the last two decades hasn't really accomplished much in whatever the collective goal of the anti-Scientology movement might be.
Case in point - Marty Rathbun's blog. Here we have this guy who admits to heinous crimes and deeds against Scientologists all while serving at the whim of the guy who seemingly is universally reviled out here. So he blows and then resurfaces as not only an outspoken critic, but also as an opinion leader in the anti-Scientology internet universe.
Which is fine. I'm not posting this to be critical of Rathbun, but sheesh... the shit the guy admits to is pretty serious. And now he's a hero? Okay. So I read his blog pretty much every week, as time allows, and a pattern emerges: it's all pretty much the same. Day in and day out it's this super-secret cadre of RTC operatives working under orders from the COB with the intent of wreaking havoc in Rathbun's life and thwarting him from doing whatever it is he is planning on doing that will bring down the CST, RTC, CofS and all the super suppressives who have stolen the "tech" away from whoever owned it to begin with.
And this has been going on now for two years? Or more?
So about a month or two back Rathbun posted a supposedly secret directive on his blog that was highly incriminating of the current management. I was amazed he had a copy of a supposedly secret internal document and the only possible source would be some upper management person. So I posted a comment asking him directly to source the document. He responded that doing so would compromise the person who provided it.
Does that make any sense to you? Because it doesn't to me. If there is a disaffected senior management person providing Rathbun with confidential directives then why haven't they taken what they know and scurried off to help put an end to the criminal enterprise? And why hasn't Rathbun done for this person what he did for himself? Fled to freedom.
Okay. I was content to just read what the guy has to say and it's this daily/weekly report on all the failed efforts of Miscavige and his henchmen to put a stop to Rathbun. Talking to his wife's co-workers, ordering pizza and having it delivered, hacking into SABRE (airline reservations) threatening phone calls and so on and so forth. I'm open enough to want to know more specifically how he can prove that these assaults are currently taking place but skeptical enough to not wholly believe them until he provides something more than just his words and some videos of the PI's who followed him around a couple of years ago.
I don't doubt for a second that Miscavige spent money and allocated personnel to try and dead agent Rathbun or mitigate any potential effect he might have on the CofS. What I can't quite get a grasp of is exactly what threat does Rathbun represent to the CofS? I mean other than the fact that he writes almost daily that he is a valid threat... what exactly is the danger he represents? He's already gone on TV and been interviewed extensively that he willing (and apparently gleefully) beat the dog tar out of people on command. He admits to a ton of evil shit that theoretically ought to have gone a long way towards breaking the allegations against DM and the CofS wide-open.
But no such thing has happened.
So last week Rathbun is back on his kind of weird fascination with the Tom Cruise-David Miscavige love fest and he posts a bunch of images of an office that is allegedly Cruise's and allegedly paid for and hand-built by SO RPF people. Then he follows up this week with more images of the airplane hanger the office is attached to and states it was paid for and built by slave Sea Org labor as a gift from Miscavige to Cruise. Damn! Those were some pretty incriminating photos if they were documented with credible data that RPF people did the work as slaves and that CofS paid for the materials, engineering and so forth. This kind of stuff would be absolutely explosive.
Having been "put in my place" before by Rathbun on his own blog, I decided I would really like to know if the photos and allegations had been sourced. After all, what would be the point of keeping the data secret? All that does is extend the servitude of the RPF slaves and give Miscavige more time to acquire and spend Scientology money.
Makes sense, right? If I'm wrong, tell me... I have a tough hide.
So I put this comment on Rathbun's blog:
As I asked before on another of your posts, I just want to know the sources that document this hanger and decorations were built by SO staff at no expense to Cruise. I’m also curious about the office you displayed in the blog a few days ago.
In addition, where did the images come from?
It’s certainly not my desire to try and debunk or disparage what you say here, but I’ve been active on the internet since 1990 and if I’ve learned one thing – it’s that anyone can say anything and whether it’s a true thing or not, some will be inclined to believe it with no need for sourcing of the claim and some (like me) will take things more seriously when hard data backs up the claim.
Overall, I am more inclined to believe that Miscavige and Cruise have a mutual back-scratching relationship. I don’t know Cruise personally so I’m at a disadvantage there. I have met Miscavige on several occasions and had a very brief, very intense event involving him… the San Francisco Mission Holders Conference in 1982. So not much would surprise me regarding his unethical and criminal activities. But, like most, I don’t like surprises. As much as I’d like to forward some of what you claim to dozens of people and family that are still heavily involved with Scientology, I personally need to be able to back up what I reveal to them. If I decide to push them, that is. Without hard facts any attempt on my part to use these claims to influence my friends will result in a “he said – she said” stalemate.
I do understand that your stance is that revealing sources would have some negative impact on the lives of those sources… but without knowing more about how this data gets out while actual people like Heber can’t get out creates a bit of a mystery for me and makes posts like this little more than a rap session where everyone agrees how terrible things are.
Help me out here Marty? Source this stuff and let some of us pop a few more people out into the real world.
Understanding that Rathbun owns the blog and that he has a dedicated following of people who take anything he says at face value, I didn't want to appear critical of him. I've seen what happens when someone criticizes the owner and respected creator of blogs as popular as Rathbun's. I also hoped that he might think about actually using this information he claims is real to help free some of those slaves.
He responded thusly:
Sorry pal. If you need more than is already out there – and most particularly on this blog, including its links where you can see the sources under questioning – you may as well wait for an enchanted fairy to come around and sprinkle wake-up dust on those you want to pop out into the real world.
Uh, okay. I'll be the first to admit I haven't taken the time to read every post on his blog and watch every video or click on every link. Although, a lot of his clickable links just take you to other posts on his blog. What I was trying to convey is that just throwing a bunch of images on a blog and claiming that Scientology slave labor built the place and paid for it doesn't make it so.
That's why I wanted credible sourcing of the claims.
So how about you people here? Some of you appear to have spent quite a bit more time researching and reading about these issues. So I'm soliciting advice and even opinion here.
Why haven't any of these "horrid" revelations ended up in criminal charges being brought against the CofS?
If there are reliable sources inside upper Scn management with access to incriminating documentation... why are they sending it to Rathbun instead of turning it over to the proper state and federal authorities so action can be taken to free people like Heber and the reportedly hundreds of others who are virtual slaves to the Sea Org?
And the big one... for me anyway... other than the occasional TV program like the upcoming BBC Panorama, is there any reliable, funded and competent group or organization that is actively pursuing bringing an end to such things as the Sea Org, the RTC, the RPF and further... to take all this supposedly leaked information and get Miscavige prosecuted and the funds he has apparently purloined returned to ethical and fully-vetted replacements for him in upper Scientology management.
Feel free to direct my attention anywhere it hasn't been sent already. I'm a quick study but I've already read the generalities and the complaints. Send me to where I need to go to actually help do something.
and thank you for your 
