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Letter from the Office of Aussie Senator Chris Evans

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MERCHANT OF CHAOS
From: mario cardile [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: FW: SCIENTOLOGY HAS HELPED ME HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS



Dear friends,

Another sensible reply.

Mario



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Subject: RE: SCIENTOLOGY HAS HELPED ME HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:37:59 +1100
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]

Dear Mario



Thank you for your email to Senator Chris Evans regarding the proposed inquiry into the Church of Scientology. The Minister has asked me to respond to you on his behalf.



The inquiry by the Senate into the Church of Scientology as proposed by Senator Xenophon is not be supported by the Rudd Government. However, given the seriousness of the allegations raised by Senator Xenophon, the Rudd Government believes that they should more properly be dealt with by the appropriate authorities.



Taxation issues are more properly dealt with by the Australian Commissioner of Taxation, and criminal activities should be thoroughly investigated by the relevant police authorities. It is understood that the Senator has forwarded copies of his allegations, with the associated papers, to the NSW Police.



It is not the role of the Parliament to inquire into the tax status of a particular organisation or individual, or to investigate criminal matters. Our Constitution provides for the separation of powers, that is the separation of the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.



In the history of the Senate there is no precedent for a Senate committee to conduct a targeted inquiry into a particular body, particularly of a religious body. The Church of Scientology was confirmed by the High Court in 1983 to be a religion.



The role of the Senate is to inquire into issues of public policy and public administration. From time to time the Senate has questioned the roles of various organisations through such inquiries into child migrants, children in care and the stolen generation. The Rudd Government believes this was an appropriate public policy issue because it investigated the administration of organisations providing care, often on behalf of government.



The Rudd Government’s view is that a Senate inquiry into the Church of Scientology is not justified on the basis of our view of the Parliament’s function. It is inappropriate to conduct an inquiry into a private and, in this case, religious organisation.



Thank you again for writing to Senator Evans about this important issue.



Yours sincerely,





Hayden Falconer
Office of Senator Chris Evans
Leader of the Government in the Senate
Minister for Immigration and Citizenship
Labor Senator for Western Australia
Ph: 08 9481 4844
Fax: 08 9481 4244











From: mario cardile [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2009 11:15 PM
To: Evans, Chris (Senator)
Subject: FW: SCIENTOLOGY HAS HELPED ME HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS







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From: [email protected]

Subject: SCIENTOLOGY HAS HELPED ME HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:08:26 +1100

Dear Senator Evans,

I'm writing to you about something of great importance to me and of fundamental importance to the efficiency, humanity and integrity of our Australian society.

Ours is a society that we can rightly be proud of as it is, though not perfect of course, one that effectively functions through and within applied democratic principles and the rule of law. These serve to enable stability and prosperity, and something very important and dear to our hearts: fairness. This is a term that might be overused by some as a trendy and expedient catchword, but I assure you it is not being used that way here and now.

As an Australian citizen and a Scientologist I was shocked and appalled by Senator Xenaphon's tirade against Scientology in Parliament recently. No individual, group or organization should be attacked, much less in such a total and ferocious manner, prior to any verification of the accusations made in that very attack. The sequence is logically and morally irregular, it's dangerously incorrect. That it occurred, and the way it occurred, is a threat to the tolerance and firm equitability that the principle of fairness stands for.

Senator Xenaphon was actually invited to civilly discuss these matters with the Church of Scientology prior to the senator's denunciations. This fact is a very important factor when considering the fairness, or lack thereof, exercised in this event.

I am not going to go into surmises, guesses, hypotheses and rumours on why Senator Xenaphon did what he did. I will, however, definitely point out that an induced, emotionally charged climate, resting on untested accusations, is not conducive to fair treatment.

As it's directly relevant, I would like to take this opportunity to let you know some of the benefits I've gained through Scientology, and my view that it should be helped as it is of real benefit to individuals and society.

In the thirty years I've been in the Scientology religion I have been invaluably helped by the knowledge and application of the principles and spiritual philosophy and spiritual technology it has provided me. Incidentally, an unequivocal principle of Scientology is to obey the laws of the land.

Since being in Scientology my happiness, productivity, ethical level and personal integrity have considerably risen. My relationship with my family, immediate and extended, and my community, improved and retains a very good level. One telling example is how after my mother suffered a debilitating stroke, I resigned from my work to become my mother's carer at her home. This meant so much to me because it meant so much to her to be cared for at home and not in a nursing home. My whole extended family was right behind me in this, and my mother was able to live out her last period in the warmth and care of her family home. I will add that there was some valuable and appreciated assistance from the government-backed nurses who aid the carer and cared.

What I've learned, and learned to apply, in Scientology has enabled me to very effectively tutor several nephews who were having difficulty with their literacy. If you're familiar with the obstacles and despair that illiteracy locks a child or adult into you'll appreciate that this is a most worthwhile achievement.

I've also substantially contributed to excellent and practical campaigns for drug education and effective drug rehabilitation. Personally, prior to Scientology, though not exactly a drunkard or drug addict, I did drink excessively at times and, not surprisingly when considering I was a university student in the 70s, indulged in drugs. I now only rarely drink, and only moderately so when I do, and take no drugs nor have the urge to.

Since becoming a Scientologist, which by the way doesn't preclude me from retaining any faith I was into or was born into (please understand that this is not as unusual as it may seem, as Buddhism is similarly inclusive), my interest in and respect for other religions and religion in general has greatly risen. And with this has risen my ability to discern real religiosity and religious principles and practices from the political or egotistical purposes these are perversevely twisted into by the despicable, misguided and misguiding few. I have since done a university course (through Deakin University) that was an overview of the major religious traditions,as well as aboriginal spirituality. This familiarity with their tenets, practices and history has led to a deeper understanding: the practical outcome of which is a respectful, and not merely indifferent, tolerance.

On the 5th of October of this year, for example, I attended an excellent Interfaith Seminar held at the University of Western Sydney, Parramatta Campus. Presenting at this inspiring event were many acclaimed and accomplished luminaries such as Professor Samaullah Kirmani of the Goucher college, Tawson University, MD, USA - a member of the International Scholars Annual Trialogue; Jeremy Jones AM, who was awarded the 2007 Australian Human Rights Medal for building interfaith and inter-community understanding in Australia and internationally; Reverend Dr Patrick J. McInersey LSAI, Theol M, Phd, an active and respected member of the Australian Catholic Council for Ecumenism and Interreligions Dialogue; Dr Herram Roborgh SJ, an erudite and effective expert in Christian-Muslim relations. The sheer sanity and sense, and genuine good-will exhibited on the podium, and then amongst all the attendees during the breaks and lunch was so delightfully pleasant and, if only the word wasn't so over-used, I would say: "awesome". It certainly was awe-inspiring to see such genuine, mutual respect in action and not mere theory. It was the sort of event that proves that inter-faith tolerance and respect are eminently possible. Knowledge and understanding are the factors that underpin such successful co-existence.

What I've outlined above is not to try to paint myself as some king of Mother Teresa, Mahatma Gandhi, or Martin Luther King: that would be absurd. I am merely one who is trying to do his best, and to some satisfying degree succeeding, in improving my life and the life around me with what I know and aspire to. Religion has enabled so many through the ages in doing this. My religion of Scientology is simply enabling me in a like manner. I've simply tried to let you know some facts about Scientology and Scientologists by trying to convey what it has meant to me, and give some concrete examples.

I would have liked to extend this letter with further examples and details of how my Scientology religion has helped me to help myself and help others. But this would lengthen it to such an extent that it would probably not be read. And I truly want you to read it and have an opportunity to directly hear from a Scientologist.

It's not special treatment for Scientology that is asked for here. It's only the fair and just treatment that should be accorded to any religion that should be extended to Scientology now. A few decades ago the High Court of Australia accorded religious recognition to Scientology. This was no idle decision, but one based on extensively examined facts.

Scientology is a religion that, like other religions, actively aspires to improve the lot of the individual and the society he or she lives in. I'm a Scientologist and have greatly benefited from my religion, which has helped be a better person, a better family member, and a better member of society.

Our parliament is the living repository of our Australian traditions of democratic principles and the fair rule of law. Let these principles come to the fore at this juncture: simply treat Scientology with the sober reason and fairness that all individuals and groups in Australia deserve and, thankfully, usually get.

Strident repetitions of rumours is no substitute for tested evidence. The paucity of the latter and the tumultuous hype instigated by the formere means that a senate enquiry would be as unwarranted as it would be unjust.

These are my views. I've stated them in total honesty and good faith.

I thank you for your time.


Regards

Mario Cardile

150 Fourteenth Avenue, Austral NSW 2179

0408 490 776
02 9606 0516
 

byte301

Crusader
I got a similar reply.

What they are really saying is that they are a bunch of typical politicians.

If they don't come round they are going to look really bad.

They don't mind that children are being used as slave labor? They're okay that people are being held in scilon prisons?

We have to shame them into doing the right thing. And that in it's self is a shame.:angry:
 
G

Gottabrain

Guest
Time to Approach State Senators

This is not to say though, that the individual states cannot investigate and take action on the child abuse. Perhaps this was taking on too large of an administration before taking on one on a smaller scale. Like trying to win the war before winning the battle.

Let's take on each individual school, mission and organization for abuses worldwide by addressing each of them in our own areas. There are certainly enough of us. Write letters. Send our complaints. Go inside a Scientology school or mission, take notes, submit our own reports. Keep them on their toes. Talk to the staff.

We need to ask for additional legislature that demands any church that sets aside the basic human rights guaranteed by a government shall risk losing its church status, with special emphasis on children.
 

byte301

Crusader
This is not to say though, that the individual states cannot investigate and take action on the child abuse. Perhaps this was taking on too large of an administration before taking on one on a smaller scale. Like trying to win the war before winning the battle.

Let's take on each individual school, mission and organization for abuses worldwide by addressing each of them in our own areas. There are certainly enough of us. Write letters. Send our complaints. Go inside a Scientology school or mission, take notes, submit our own reports. Keep them on their toes. Talk to the staff.

We need to ask for additional legislature that demands any church that sets aside the basic human rights guaranteed by a government shall risk losing its church status, with special emphasis on children.

Yes. Anonymous has been crawling all over the cult and their front groups for almost 2 years now. The OG has been at this for years and years.

The data on the crimes and abuses have been documented for years as well.

It's time for a lot of governments to start taking notice and put an end to this.

The longer they delay the more people get abused, commit suicide, are forced to have abortions, made to disconnect.

I don't feel it's too steep a gradient. I think it's long overdue.:yes:
 

anon2487

Patron with Honors
I'm repeating myself a bit, as I've said this in 3 threads now in various ways, for which I'm sorry, but I really believe that it's vitally important:

I know that the consensus at the minute is to document and expose the crimes, and ignore the religious dimension altogether. But the arguments being made that the police should investigate allegations of criminality, and the Tax Commissioner taxes, are powerful, legitimate arguments against a Senate Inquiry.

To counter this, I think that it's essential that a core part of our case, is to provide clear evidence of the CofS's abuse of the privileges granted to them as a religious group, and their use of those privileges to commit criminal activities, as this is an issue that legitimately falls within a Senate Inquiry's remit.

This post lists a (very rough) framework regarding what I'm saying: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=339339&postcount=20
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm repeating myself a bit, as I've said this in 3 threads now in various ways, for which I'm sorry, but I really believe that it's vitally important:

I know that the consensus at the minute is to document and expose the crimes, and ignore the religious dimension altogether. But the arguments being made that the police should investigate allegations of criminality, and the Tax Commissioner taxes, are powerful, legitimate arguments against a Senate Inquiry.

To counter this, I think that it's essential that a core part of our case, is to provide clear evidence of the CofS's abuse of the privileges granted to them as a religious group, and their use of those privileges to commit criminal activities, as this is an issue that legitimately falls within a Senate Inquiry's remit.

This post lists a (very rough) framework regarding what I'm saying: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=339339&postcount=20

I think another reason that needs to be pushed is that tax Commisioners and legal trials only deal with specific issues.

What needs to be addressed is the whole list of abuses that don't necessarily fall under illegality as they can't be proven but that there's enough anecdotal evidence to suggest they are endemic within the ORGANIZATION of Scientology.

Any attack on the religious idea of it will fail as it will make other religions nervous lest they be next. It MUST be kept limited to the actions and abuses of the Co$ Inc.. OSA bleat "religious bigotry" every time they get investigated - please don't give them any "evidence" this may be true (even 'tho it obviously isn't.)

We'll get the inquiry if we just keep exposing the crimes as the press will keep reporting it and the public will get more and more outraged and demand their politicians do something to take the horror away. This is how it's working here in Oz right now and I see no reason to stop a very successful campaign.

The pollies are off for Xmas now but the press aren't - just keep sending the real side of the organization to your pollies and the press and then that'll do it - that's what OSA fear more than anything else as they CAN'T do anything about the truth except dodge it, and it's becoming painfully apparent to all here in Oz that they're doing just that.

Death by a million footbullets has a nice ring to it, eh?
 

anon2487

Patron with Honors
...Any attack on the religious idea of it will fail as it will make other religions nervous lest they be next. It MUST be kept limited to the actions and abuses of the Co$ Inc.. OSA bleat "religious bigotry" every time they get investigated - please don't give them any "evidence" this may be true (even 'tho it obviously isn't.)
I'm with you all the way on that.

I think another reason that needs to be pushed is that tax Commisioners and legal trials only deal with specific issues.

What needs to be addressed is the whole list of abuses that don't necessarily fall under illegality as they can't be proven but that there's enough anecdotal evidence to suggest they are endemic within the ORGANIZATION of Scientology....
Agreed.

Not the same at all, but the litany of successful prosecutions from around the world, demonstrate a clear pattern of systematic criminality, and the Church's utter unwillingness to change. Where Australia has an extradition treaty with the country concerned, this is doubly powerful, as there's an automatic acknowledgement of the legitimacy of the country's legal system.

Death by a million footbullets has a nice ring to it, eh?
:D
 

Terril park

Sponsor
I'm repeating myself a bit, as I've said this in 3 threads now in various ways, for which I'm sorry, but I really believe that it's vitally important:

I know that the consensus at the minute is to document and expose the crimes, and ignore the religious dimension altogether. But the arguments being made that the police should investigate allegations of criminality, and the Tax Commissioner taxes, are powerful, legitimate arguments against a Senate Inquiry.

To counter this, I think that it's essential that a core part of our case, is to provide clear evidence of the CofS's abuse of the privileges granted to them as a religious group, and their use of those privileges to commit criminal activities, as this is an issue that legitimately falls within a Senate Inquiry's remit.

This post lists a (very rough) framework regarding what I'm saying: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=339339&postcount=20

Been beating this drum sometime.

COS although positioning themselves as the worlds greatest protectors of religious freedom, in fact are religious bigots re their decades attack on independant, protestant Freezone scientologists.

Told senator Xenophon this.

IMO its a major PR point. COS can be attacked here and can't win here.
 
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