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Thanks for that reference. That is the first time that I ever read that LRH learned about abreactive therapy from it being used there when he was in the hospital and turned it into Dianetics. The story I got from one of his first books was that he, himself used Dianetics on a patient in a hospital, not that he learned it from it being used in the hospital by others. :ohmy: What a twist on the truth!!

He may well have done both. LRH was prone to only saying that which served his interest. He often flat out lied, also. But many of his lies also have a germ of truth to them.


Mark A. Baker
 

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Patron Meritorious
I audited people on life repair. It was light, fun and they walked away feeling good. I even audited a hitchhiker that I picked up on life repair. We started talking while I was driving. I then used two way communication questions that I would ask when auditing life repair, using the auditors code. After the ride I let them off and they were feeling good, like someone actually listened to them.
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
On one of the first class eight tapes Hubbard directly refutes this belief. He states, in paraphrase, that when a meter reads all that can be said is that it read. The actual cause of the read may have nothing to do with anything the auditor said, or which may be relevant to the session. Hence the important of the auditor paying attention to the pc.

The meter is not a 'truth detector'. It is not infallible. It is a useful biofeedback instrument, but it is certainly not a requisite of good auditing. I find it's principle utility to be similar to a 'geiger counter' in that it can give a good indicator about 'charged items' which may not have yet completely 'surfaced'. However, the best rule in auditing is to deal with what is directly addressable by a pc, that on which he directly has his attention. For that the meter is largely superfluous. The meter is principally useful in facilitating the task of finding a way through when the pc has an issue in need of address yet may be drawing a conscious blank or unable to get past his own 'explanatory narrative' for his perceived problem.


Mark A. Baker

You're right, Mark, as in what's more important:

1) TA position
2) needle manifestation
3) PC indicators

Answer: 3).

The reference you gave is covered on Pro Metering as well, only it's not Class VIII tapes.

However, the A) referred to is the whole aspect of dating the track...the entirety of security metering as used in HCO...you know, like when you do an interview to join staff at CCInt or something. I mean, hello? Didn't I hear that it don't read unless it's an overt on the PC's moral code?

There's other examples I don't care to mention just now.

Anyway, no more splitting hairs and let the thread get on with talking about Life Repair.
 

Veda

Sponsor
On one of the first class eight tapes Hubbard directly refutes this

-snip-

The meter is not a 'truth detector'.

-snip-

Obviously, "good indicators" are important. People are expected to be "happy" with their "Hubbard Guidance." However, that doesn't change the emphasis on meters in Scientology.

As I recall, in the Class 8 tape, Hubbard refers to someone reacting to a bee sting, thus causing the meter to read falsely.

Bee stings aside, E-meters, in Scientology, per Hubbard's instructions, are used, in effect, as truth detectors.

There are areas of Scientology - usually introductory - where reliance on meters is minimal, however that doesn't change the over-all emphasis on meters.

One need only study Hubbard's confidential upper levels to see the significance placed on meter reads. "Many persons experience unreality at the start of [Implant/told to you by Hubbard] GPM running; this leaves when you see the meter reads," is one of the first examples. There are many more.
 

Challenge

Silver Meritorious Patron
Well, I wouldn't call me a "True Believer", but I would say it is currently the paradigm with which I agree consistently. I find it logically consistent and satisfying, and I think that putting problems in its terms generally tends to imply solutions to those problems which can then be checked "in session", or more broadly, through scientific study of statistical success. No, I have not conducted scientific studies: I lack the resources and credentials.

I appreciate your statement, here. I wasn't actually offended, but I was worried that I had offended posters here. My own enthusiasm often translates as large quantities of posts, and that quantity can easily be interpreted as an intent to overwhelm objections through volume. I would like to state that it is not my intent to overwhelm anyone, I am just "white and nerdy" and have a lot of free time to post right now.

At any rate, I think you'd be right to say that Dr. Gerbode did NOT create the steps of TIR. Representations to that effect, IMO, are PR. I think it would be accurate to say he developed TIR, which is how I'll have to make sure I say it, in the future. I mean this in the sense that he took steps of a procedure (R3R, not trying to dodge this), created a theory about why they "work" (when they work) to help a person reduce cognitive distortion, desensitize emotional reactions, produce personal insight and help the person return their attention/intention ("ability") to whatever they are working on in the present.

Oh, and regarding crediting Hubbard, Scientology, and the various people who contributed to its processes, Gerbode did this in his book. Due to the manner in which people react to the terms Scientology, Scientologist, Hubbard, Dianetics, Reactive Mind, Engram, Auditing, etc., I think you could easily understand why he wouldn't want to open every conversation, presentation, article, etc., with "I was once a Scientologist, TIR contains steps that are identical to many of the steps in Dianetics, etc.". Technically, there are significant differences between R3R and TIR, particularly where you are "preassessing" an item and getting it in "runnable" form, but also including no requirement for needle reactions (though you COULD use a meter, TIR is designed for use without it), and if I got out the two and compared them, I'm pretty sure I'd find more differences. FUNCTIONALLY, what is accomplished by performing the steps should be identical (person reviews an incident or chain of incidents and clears it of charge). That said, terminological differences are indicative of actual differences of meaning. Charge has a different definition in Metapsychology than it does in Scientology (and in my opinion, a far more elegant one). Reactive Mind has different meaning than Traumatic Incident Network, due to the many different (and operationally meaningless) definitions Hubbard used. I could go on, but the point is simple: while there are some steps that are identical to R3R in TIR, and between some other procedures (definitely not all, and definitely not their organization and theory), protocols are wildly different, results are not hyped, methods ARE tested scientifically prior to making any claims for them (other than that outcomes are interesting, and what the THEORY predicts the results should be), some methods have been de-emphasized and are under review because the expected results are not uniformly delivered and the reasons why have not been determined. The organizations of metapsychology exist to connect facilitators and trainers with interested public (including oversight agencies like the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers), to train new facilitators and trainers. They do NOT exist to destroy critics, smash anyone's name into history (the subject is multi-authored), dominate anyone, make huge quantities of money, etc.

I don't think that you offended anyone, and I hope that I didn't either.
I knew Sarge when he was a "churchie", and I carry no animosity towards him.
When I was invited to his workshop, I was simply shocked to hear R3R being taught to the Psychs. I know nothing further than that about *Meta", as I have not examined it further. I was turned off. Perhaps I should not mention anything about it at all.
I know, and have known in the past, a number of Ex's who have "re-written" the materials. Lawrence West for example, after he was sued out of doing business as CADA, and is now deceased ( and hopefully therefore , safe from the clutches of RTC), put the entire Bridge on tape in a re-writing. I had assumed that Sarge would have to re-write as well. Somehow he escaped the purge.
Glad you have found a practice that you enjoy, Uniquemand. Rock on!

chlng
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Please go ahead and eleberate, It's very intresting to hear your observations and experiences. I can recommend you delving into C. J. Jung.

I don't think that you offended anyone, and I hope that I didn't either.
I knew Sarge when he was a "churchie", and I carry no animosity towards him.
When I was invited to his workshop, I was simply shocked to hear R3R being taught to the Psychs. I know nothing further than that about *Meta", as I have not examined it further. I was turned off. Perhaps I should not mention anything about it at all.
I know, and have known in the past, a number of Ex's who have "re-written" the materials. Lawrence West for example, after he was sued out of doing business as CADA, and is now deceased ( and hopefully therefore , safe from the clutches of RTC), put the entire Bridge on tape in a re-writing. I had assumed that Sarge would have to re-write as well. Somehow he escaped the purge.
Glad you have found a practice that you enjoy, Uniquemand. Rock on!

chlng
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
I don't think that you offended anyone, and I hope that I didn't either.
I knew Sarge when he was a "churchie", and I carry no animosity towards him.
When I was invited to his workshop, I was simply shocked to hear R3R being taught to the Psychs. I know nothing further than that about *Meta", as I have not examined it further. I was turned off. Perhaps I should not mention anything about it at all.
I know, and have known in the past, a number of Ex's who have "re-written" the materials. Lawrence West for example, after he was sued out of doing business as CADA, and is now deceased ( and hopefully therefore , safe from the clutches of RTC), put the entire Bridge on tape in a re-writing. I had assumed that Sarge would have to re-write as well. Somehow he escaped the purge.
Glad you have found a practice that you enjoy, Uniquemand. Rock on!

chlng

Thanks. He did a lot more than a rewrite, in my opinion. He also provided a different theoretical basis, and a person who understands that theory and Sarge's article on how to word a procedure/technique would have no real need for packaged "grades" or "processes". While they do train people how to use sets of procedures and group them into sections of their curriculum, a metapsychology facilitator has great freedom in deciding how and when to apply a given procedure. It is expected that a person be competent and intelligent, rather than a rote slave to "standard tech".
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Thanks. He did a lot more than a rewrite, in my opinion. He also provided a different theoretical basis, and a person who understands that theory and Sarge's article on how to word a procedure/technique would have no real need for packaged "grades" or "processes". While they do train people how to use sets of procedures and group them into sections of their curriculum, a metapsychology facilitator has great freedom in deciding how and when to apply a given procedure. It is expected that a person be competent and intelligent, rather than a rote slave to "standard tech".

And therein lies the rub. I have often looked at what could have been and how much of people's lives was wasted. I cannot count the times when someone might have gotten the help they really really needed if the C/S es could have trusted the competence of the auditors enough to hand them the exactly needed tools for the client. Why should someone recovering from an auto accident slug along in an auditing session because a brief but directly to the charge procedure could not be trusted to the understanding of the facilitator. Wasn't it an obligation to impart such skills that were necessary to those on course. NOPE. So much money was to be made by referring someone up the line to a super super specialist that it would've been sinking their own boat.

What if I had to pay 5 times as much for a pair of dentures just to get it from someone who would make sure I got the right amount of teeth in each plate. No more and no less. :)
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
And therein lies the rub. I have often looked at what could have been and how much of people's lives was wasted. I cannot count the times when someone might have gotten the help they really really needed if the C/S es could have trusted the competence of the auditors enough to hand them the exactly needed tools for the client. Why should someone recovering from an auto accident slug along in an auditing session because a brief but directly to the charge procedure could not be trusted to the understanding of the facilitator. Wasn't it an obligation to impart such skills that were necessary to those on course. NOPE. So much money was to be made by referring someone up the line to a super super specialist that it would've been sinking their own boat.

Well, if there were thousands of people around who could effectively handle whatever "case" they ran into, who would need an auditor! Training other people near you can put you out of a job! :)

It's true that you can usually trust a person of good will's judgment in terms of asking a good question, so long as they have fundamentals in place (are really there, really listening, focused on the "client", and so long as you are confident in your approach, you have it as a primary intention to help and you can recognize an "EP"), this generates a "safe space" for the person to unload and relax, open up and expand. There are lots of questions or commands you could ask/give, and while they are somewhat interesting on their own merits, what really matters is that you are listening, creating strong rapport, and alert to possible dangers such as transference-countertransference and "getting stuck in a win". Training is important, but purpose is supreme.

What if I had to pay 5 times as much for a pair of dentures just to get it from someone who would make sure I got the right amount of teeth in each plate. No more and no less. :)

I think that would be like having to go to a specialist to make sure you weren't gypped. :) Specialists are necessary. However, the need for them is not as urgent as the need for common decency, good will, careful attention and an empowering theoretical model. There are literally hundreds of thousands of young people returning from Iraq who are likely to be seriously affected by PTSD (Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder). There are not enough clinicians to see them all, even if they could all afford professional help. What they need is a friend who's a good listener to let them tell their story without interruption, be willing to listen again and help them achieve a catharsis through anamnesis, even if they use terms like "getting over it" or "letting it go". :)
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
-SNIP-

I know, and have known in the past, a number of Ex's who have "re-written" the materials. Lawrence West for example, after he was sued out of doing business as CADA, and is now deceased ( and hopefully therefore , safe from the clutches of RTC), put the entire Bridge on tape in a re-writing.

-SNIP-
chlng

Challenge,

I have never heard anything about this before but would like to know more. How about some other exes that have re-written stuff?
 
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