Life Repair Auditing
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guanoloco
As-Wased
Here's an interesting quote from here:
Followed by this from here:
Life repair is another piece of Tech that has been submerged to mediocrity or worse quickied or omitted completely.
Obviously there are different qualities of Life Repair.
Done well - it means you live most of your life in affluence or better.
An Upset is a collapsed Set-Up. Thus a completed LR means you have your life Set-Up to be in affluence or power for the long term.
A problem is basically intention or force v's counter intention or counter force. Thus a completed LR means you have your life purposes aligned to be in affluence or power for the long term.
A withholdingness is a restraint of self and a restraint of reach. Thus a completed LR means you have your life restraints and reach restraints removed and your presence, reach and action levels are without reservation which in turn allows you to be in affluence or power for the long term.
The eradication of continuous harmful acts allows you to focus and produce good or helpful effects. Thus a completed LR means you have your life Set-Up in such away that you do more good and be of more help which again will allow you to be in affluence or power for the long term.
I'm always appalled that the so called OTs live such poor PT existences.
For most it is the omittance of a complete high quality Life Repair.
Alan
Followed by this from here:
Mystic
Crusader
Mentalists are really funny with all the complexity it takes to "repair their lives".
Some folks have discovered art:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw
Life also has the quality of repairing itself. Go out and experience some art. Walk along a beach. Fall in love.
Hey, mentalists! Find out there is life.
Some folks have discovered art:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw
Life also has the quality of repairing itself. Go out and experience some art. Walk along a beach. Fall in love.
Hey, mentalists! Find out there is life.
Yes, yes, yes. I do so second, third ad infinitum what Mystic said. For gawd's sake, get a life. All this eternal internalizing navel gazing going over and over and over that stuff is bad for the soul, bad for health, bad for well being, never gonna get you anywhere. imo. Have fun, watch a sunset, play with the kids or grandkids, eat yummy food - and drink, read some good books, take a hot bath ...... anything but this endless blather.
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Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
The statements separate and equally valid. Freud's work indicated that past incidents which cause present day problems are often linked together - and - there is no evidence that any incidents carry charge. You are conflating apples with oranges, hence the confusion.
All an e-meter reads is galvanic skin response which varies according to muscle movements and the presence of fluid (sweat). All a "floating needle" represents is that the can-holder is in an hypnotic-like trance state. If indeed the person were to derive a real and significant "cognition" while fully conscious, the actual response would be a rock slam as the body reacts to the "shock" of the realisation. To say that an e-meter is in anyway useful in exploring past incidents is a statement of faith. That's fine for religions, but dangerous when offering "therapy". You will, of course, be aware of the the FDA advisory:
Its there for a reason. The fact that many ignore the requirement makes it more important that the truth about the emeter be posted often and vociferously. As Federal District Judge Gesell ruled in 1971: "An individual processed with the aid of the E-meter was said to reach the intended goal of "clear" and was led to believe there was reliable scientific proof that once cleared many, indeed most illnesses would automatically be cured. Auditing was guaranteed to be successful. All this was and is false -- in short, a fraud. " While caveat emptor applies, you may consider my statements as consumer advocacy.
There is nothing inaccurate in the statement: the emeter is a re-boxed 19th century wheatstone bridge which measures galavanic skin response and nothing else. If you have, after YEARS of observation, any empirical evidence that this is wrong, I suggest you contact the FDA. You could also score a million dollars.
I'm not sure how dissing Scientology, the emeter, and L Ron Hubbard helps the cult. People who derive benefit from the use of the emeter will continue to do so for so long as they maintain their irrational belief in its efficacy. In fact, the moment they realise exactly what it is will be the same moment they become free from a delusion. The sooner the better, I say.
Stat
Gold Meritorious Patron
Perhaps, Life Repair is the culmination of Scientology. The reason I say it, is because the happiest pc's I produced were Life Repair graduates and may be HRD too. I delivered all the grades and NED, many completions.
NED produces miracles at times. But Life Repair was most consistent, as far as happy people. Possibly, it's LRH's best achievement. This is my observation.
NED produces miracles at times. But Life Repair was most consistent, as far as happy people. Possibly, it's LRH's best achievement. This is my observation.
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Yeah - I was a bit slow on the uptake there.
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Given that the only acceptable EP from "Life Repair" is: "I need more Scientology", I agree, it was a very successful process for L Ron Hubbard.
Stat
Gold Meritorious Patron
That too. Stripped of $cn, could do some good to others, I believe.
guanoloco
As-Wased
What definition of "charge" are you using?
Also, didn't you say that "fallacious assumptions that there is a reactive mind" and now you're saying "Freud's work indicated that past incidents which cause present day problems are often linked together"?
Sound like you know quite a bit. More than...say...Jung. How did you do that?
But didn't you just say that a "floating needle" is a hypnotic-like trance state and a rock slam would be a "cognition"? Even if that is galvanic skin response doesn't that mean something instead of "nothing else"?
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
The same definition as the person I was quoting.
The theory that past events are linked is not proof of the existence of a reactive mind.
Now you're being silly.
No. I said that the floating needle would indicate the hypnotic-like trance state. This is because there would be little if any changes in resistance. A bit like when a person is sleeping. If they were fully conscious and did have a serious realisation (call it cognition if you like) that would register as a rock slam, IMHO, because the person would have a subconscious muscle reaction - part of the fight/flight response. The "something" you are referring to is a change in resistance, that's all. Not any kind of measure of thought.
Have you seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHDMEBoOYXo
. . . be sure to check out the second part.
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Well, I wouldn't call me a "True Believer", but I would say it is currently the paradigm with which I agree consistently. I find it logically consistent and satisfying, and I think that putting problems in its terms generally tends to imply solutions to those problems which can then be checked "in session", or more broadly, through scientific study of statistical success. No, I have not conducted scientific studies: I lack the resources and credentials.
I appreciate your statement, here. I wasn't actually offended, but I was worried that I had offended posters here. My own enthusiasm often translates as large quantities of posts, and that quantity can easily be interpreted as an intent to overwhelm objections through volume. I would like to state that it is not my intent to overwhelm anyone, I am just "white and nerdy" and have a lot of free time to post right now.
At any rate, I think you'd be right to say that Dr. Gerbode did NOT create the steps of TIR. Representations to that effect, IMO, are PR. I think it would be accurate to say he developed TIR, which is how I'll have to make sure I say it, in the future. I mean this in the sense that he took steps of a procedure (R3R, not trying to dodge this), created a theory about why they "work" (when they work) to help a person reduce cognitive distortion, desensitize emotional reactions, produce personal insight and help the person return their attention/intention ("ability") to whatever they are working on in the present.
Oh, and regarding crediting Hubbard, Scientology, and the various people who contributed to its processes, Gerbode did this in his book. Due to the manner in which people react to the terms Scientology, Scientologist, Hubbard, Dianetics, Reactive Mind, Engram, Auditing, etc., I think you could easily understand why he wouldn't want to open every conversation, presentation, article, etc., with "I was once a Scientologist, TIR contains steps that are identical to many of the steps in Dianetics, etc.". Technically, there are significant differences between R3R and TIR, particularly where you are "preassessing" an item and getting it in "runnable" form, but also including no requirement for needle reactions (though you COULD use a meter, TIR is designed for use without it), and if I got out the two and compared them, I'm pretty sure I'd find more differences. FUNCTIONALLY, what is accomplished by performing the steps should be identical (person reviews an incident or chain of incidents and clears it of charge). That said, terminological differences are indicative of actual differences of meaning. Charge has a different definition in Metapsychology than it does in Scientology (and in my opinion, a far more elegant one). Reactive Mind has different meaning than Traumatic Incident Network, due to the many different (and operationally meaningless) definitions Hubbard used. I could go on, but the point is simple: while there are some steps that are identical to R3R in TIR, and between some other procedures (definitely not all, and definitely not their organization and theory), protocols are wildly different, results are not hyped, methods ARE tested scientifically prior to making any claims for them (other than that outcomes are interesting, and what the THEORY predicts the results should be), some methods have been de-emphasized and are under review because the expected results are not uniformly delivered and the reasons why have not been determined. The organizations of metapsychology exist to connect facilitators and trainers with interested public (including oversight agencies like the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers), to train new facilitators and trainers. They do NOT exist to destroy critics, smash anyone's name into history (the subject is multi-authored), dominate anyone, make huge quantities of money, etc.
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Mark A. Baker
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On one of the first class eight tapes Hubbard directly refutes this belief. He states, in paraphrase, that when a meter reads all that can be said is that it read. The actual cause of the read may have nothing to do with anything the auditor said, or which may be relevant to the session. Hence the important of the auditor paying attention to the pc.
The meter is not a 'truth detector'. It is not infallible. It is a useful biofeedback instrument, but it is certainly not a requisite of good auditing. I find it's principle utility to be similar to a 'geiger counter' in that it can give a good indicator about 'charged items' which may not have yet completely 'surfaced'. However, the best rule in auditing is to deal with what is directly addressable by a pc, that on which he directly has his attention. For that the meter is largely superfluous. The meter is principally useful in facilitating the task of finding a way through when the pc has an issue in need of address yet may be drawing a conscious blank or unable to get past his own 'explanatory narrative' for his perceived problem.
Mark A. Baker
AnonKat
Crusader
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Yeah, that's impressive if you respect those institutions. I do.
More impressive, though, is meeting the guy. He does not intimidate. While he's very knowledgeable, he's much more interested in understanding what you are saying to him, or making sure you understood what he said to you, and in having a good time, than he is in whether you respect his degrees or other accomplishments. Utterly charming when you're used to stuck-up academics more interested in asserting their authority than in being worthy of it.
FoTi
Crusader
Thanks for that reference. That is the first time that I ever read that LRH learned about abreactive therapy from it being used there when he was in the hospital and turned it into Dianetics. The story I got from one of his first books was that he, himself used Dianetics on a patient in a hospital, not that he learned it from it being used in the hospital by others.
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