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Scientology's Future in Australia

mate

Patron Meritorious
I have been reflecting on the future of the CofS in Australia and how it will develop, keeping in mind that a “church” is never closed down. There is a pattern currently, which could well be an accurate picture of the future evolution of Australian “churches” of scientology. These are of course, Brisbane, Perth, Canberra and Adelaide. Although we don’t have the full information on Brisbane, we do know that it is on the fringe of the CBD, it is residential, it is in a poorer area, and there is no signage. We do not know what is happening on the inside and this could well be intentional.

It could be the case that the house is not only the “org”, but also the residence of all the staff. Which is what occurred in Japan when the first “org” was opened there. How would the rent and food be covered? From Canberra “org”, we have that one of the staff is earning income and this covers the rent. So in our speculation, the Executive Director’s spouse could be say holding down a full-time job. This is pure conjecture but there are precedents for it. Being an outpost, it is highly likely that one by one the staff will disappear, as it happened in Kansas City, where the last remaining staff was someone who hadn’t done his staff statuses and who was on crutches with a broken leg, and simply open and closed the front door each day. This was in the mid ‘80s.

I am speculating here, but Perth and Canberra “churches” are in upstairs offices, each with just a simple “scientology” sign. And as they start having trouble meeting the rent and outgoings, I predict that each will follow the same pattern as Brisbane. I expect that Adelaide will end up in an upstairs office within the next twelve months or so, or may even go directly to a residence.

This leaves us with Melbourne and Sydney.

When the AOSH ANZO was established in the mid ‘80s, it had the top floor of 201 Castlereagh Street building. As Sydney Day and Foundation “orgs”, have in my opinion, lost the Castlereagh Street and rapidly running out of “Ideal Org”-raised funds to pay the rent on Hercules Street, I suspect that they will move into Greek Street. Remember that the AO has lost most of its public and I believe that its staff has dwindled significantly.

Melbourne will almost certainly remain where it is and will eventually follow the Adelaide model, but it will take longer to do it, too, into is a residential address.

Just a thought.

David Graham.
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have been reflecting on the future of the CofS in Australia and how it will develop, keeping in mind that a “church” is never closed down. There is a pattern currently, which could well be an accurate picture of the future evolution of Australian “churches” of scientology. These are of course, Brisbane, Perth, Canberra and Adelaide. Although we don’t have the full information on Brisbane, we do know that it is on the fringe of the CBD, it is residential, it is in a poorer area, and there is no signage. We do not know what is happening on the inside and this could well be intentional.

It could be the case that the house is not only the “org”, but also the residence of all the staff. Which is what occurred in Japan when the first “org” was opened there. How would the rent and food be covered? From Canberra “org”, we have that one of the staff is earning income and this covers the rent. So in our speculation, the Executive Director’s spouse could be say holding down a full-time job. This is pure conjecture but there are precedents for it. Being an outpost, it is highly likely that one by one the staff will disappear, as it happened in Kansas City, where the last remaining staff was someone who hadn’t done his staff statuses and who was on crutches with a broken leg, and simply open and closed the front door each day. This was in the mid ‘80s.

I am speculating here, but Perth and Canberra “churches” are in upstairs offices, each with just a simple “scientology” sign. And as they start having trouble meeting the rent and outgoings, I predict that each will follow the same pattern as Brisbane. I expect that Adelaide will end up in an upstairs office within the next twelve months or so, or may even go directly to a residence.

This leaves us with Melbourne and Sydney.

When the AOSH ANZO was established in the mid ‘80s, it had the top floor of 201 Castlereagh Street building. As Sydney Day and Foundation “orgs”, have in my opinion, lost the Castlereagh Street and rapidly running out of “Ideal Org”-raised funds to pay the rent on Hercules Street, I suspect that they will move into Greek Street. Remember that the AO has lost most of its public and I believe that its staff has dwindled significantly.

Melbourne will almost certainly remain where it is and will eventually follow the Adelaide model, but it will take longer to do it, too, into is a residential address.

Just a thought.

David Graham.
Davjd, when I saw the title of this thread, my immediate thought was "What future?"

I think you've hit the nail on the head with what's going to happen. I've no idea how Melbourne's going to cope with its "Idle Morgue" as it's been madly recruiting for the big opening and I doubt there's much of a field left there who are actually Melbourne public. They're supposed to move in a few months but have to raise "just" $700,000 more to "finish" renovations - sound familiar?

I'm not too sure that there will be a residential address required for Oz orgs once DM's in jail with His remaining henchmen - more like a Post Box somewhere for mail.
 

Lucretia

Patron with Honors
Interesting newsletter. Thanks for posting it Emma.

I hope Fraser and Rien are older than they look. A pretty bleak lookout for them if they are really only 16.

However, counting all the names - there are 31 technical staff and 18 are in the TTC, leaving 13 for delivery. I note Dave Ainsworths name among the faithful. He has been around for 35 years or so. Is 31 a good number compared with years past? 31 tech staff is more staff than Adelaide had, total, in its heyday, Day and Fdn together. We thought those were halcyon days!

I do hope you are right Mate. Working out of a residential house, where they can all sleep and play happy thetans together would be very nice for all of them. Adelaide still has to be kicked out of its nice new little brown box though. I think I should ring up the yoga business next door and warn them that the $scios will be trying to steal their customers!
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
However, counting all the names - there are 31 technical staff and 18 are in the TTC, leaving 13 for delivery. I note Dave Ainsworths name among the faithful. He has been around for 35 years or so. Is 31 a good number compared with years past? 31 tech staff is more staff than Adelaide had, total, in its heyday, Day and Fdn together. We thought those were halcyon days!

The newsletter doesn't actually say all those tech-trained staff are *on tech posts*. Anyone who's been on staff knows that tech people sometimes get busted and put on admin posts, sometimes for the rest of their lives.

They probably don't need that many tech people on post anyway. An org only needs tech people on post when it is delivering scn services. If all they are doing is delivering Div 6 Basics courses and TRs & Objectives Co-Audits then they can easily dump everyone into the TTC and await the Promised Land — Hallelujah — when their new Ideal Org will magically deliver them from the evil of no public and deluge them with a plague of new blood. I mean, it's not like they have to *pay the staff* or anything quaint like that.

Paul
 

DartSmohen

Silver Meritorious Patron
Here is the latest news from Melbourne:

http://emails.scientology.net.au/20101108_Melbourne_NL/

I've attached a PDF for those who don't want to get their browsers dirty.

The "quote" from Hubbard is particularly hypocritical. He went to Melbourne and screwed the ED's wife. Then he wrote a policy about "out 2D on staff".

Hmm, I wonder why Melbourne org dissolved from being the biggest HASI in the world to being closed down by a government enquiry ? :confused2:

Dart
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I have been reflecting on the future of the CofS in Australia and how it will develop, keeping in mind that a “church” is never closed down. There is a pattern currently, which could well be an accurate picture of the future evolution of Australian “churches” of scientology. These are of course, Brisbane, Perth, Canberra and Adelaide. Although we don’t have the full information on Brisbane, we do know that it is on the fringe of the CBD, it is residential, it is in a poorer area, and there is no signage. We do not know what is happening on the inside and this could well be intentional.

It could be the case that the house is not only the “org”, but also the residence of all the staff. Which is what occurred in Japan when the first “org” was opened there. How would the rent and food be covered? From Canberra “org”, we have that one of the staff is earning income and this covers the rent. So in our speculation, the Executive Director’s spouse could be say holding down a full-time job. This is pure conjecture but there are precedents for it. Being an outpost, it is highly likely that one by one the staff will disappear, as it happened in Kansas City, where the last remaining staff was someone who hadn’t done his staff statuses and who was on crutches with a broken leg, and simply open and closed the front door each day. This was in the mid ‘80s.

I am speculating here, but Perth and Canberra “churches” are in upstairs offices, each with just a simple “scientology” sign. And as they start having trouble meeting the rent and outgoings, I predict that each will follow the same pattern as Brisbane. I expect that Adelaide will end up in an upstairs office within the next twelve months or so, or may even go directly to a residence.

This leaves us with Melbourne and Sydney.

When the AOSH ANZO was established in the mid ‘80s, it had the top floor of 201 Castlereagh Street building. As Sydney Day and Foundation “orgs”, have in my opinion, lost the Castlereagh Street and rapidly running out of “Ideal Org”-raised funds to pay the rent on Hercules Street, I suspect that they will move into Greek Street. Remember that the AO has lost most of its public and I believe that its staff has dwindled significantly.

Melbourne will almost certainly remain where it is and will eventually follow the Adelaide model, but it will take longer to do it, too, into is a residential address.

Just a thought.

David Graham.

Thanks, David. Let's see what happens.

Meantime, your posts are very much appreciated!

Mary
 

DartSmohen

Silver Meritorious Patron
I am speculating here, but Perth and Canberra “churches” are in upstairs offices, each with just a simple “scientology” sign. And as they start having trouble meeting the rent and outgoings, I predict that each will follow the same pattern as Brisbane. I expect that Adelaide will end up in an upstairs office within the next twelve months or so, or may even go directly to a residence.

I was in Cape Town in August and their "org" is also upstairs, with a scruffy sign outside. No traffic at all.

In Sunderland the "org" front door is kept shut, entrance by pressing an intercom. I suspect that the few staff they have enter and leave via a back of building staircase onto a back lane

Dart
 

Lucretia

Patron with Honors
They probably don't need that many tech people on post anyway. An org only needs tech people on post when it is delivering scn services. If all they are doing is delivering Div 6 Basics courses and TRs & Objectives Co-Audits then they can easily dump everyone into the TTC and await the Promised Land — Hallelujah — when their new Ideal Org will magically deliver them from the evil of no public and deluge them with a plague of new blood. I mean, it's not like they have to *pay the staff* or anything quaint like that.

Paul

Understood. But most of the TTC are at Flag, training it appears. I know $cilons are loose with the truth and intention to do is considered a done.

Maybe they're waiting to raise money to travel on clapped out old qantas planes! For those who don't know, Oz's flagship airline Qantas has been having a number of engine problems lately. But I digress.

Incidently, what is a Magistrate lineup? Tom Fisher, TTC I/T, is at flag training what...to be a Magistrate??? Do we have them down here? I thought they were judges, and it took years and years to become one. Now you can train for a couple of weeks.......oh please!
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for the newsletter Emma.

Having just 7 auditors available for servicing the public is a bit feeble considering the history of Scientology in Melbourne. But then, probably most of the staff don’t know anything about how big the org used to be.

It is tragic to see these very young people so completely brainwashed. Poor kids have probably never had a chance to find out about life outside Scientology.

The really sad thing about the whole ‘Ideal Org’ scam is that the staff actually believe that when the move into their ‘Ideal Org’ building, things will suddenly magically get better. Public will start ‘flooding’ in, people will demand to join staff and they will actually start earning decent wages. And what will be equally sad is that when they do move and have been in the building for a while and none of the expected has happened, they will be told that they now need to do X to ‘boom’ (a grotesquely over-used phrase in Scientology) the org, they will believe that as well! :duh:

I found this part of the quote from Hubbard to be rather apt : “…for not one of them could not make more money and even more 'name' outside the organization.

Considering they probably get paid bugger all on staff, it’s a certainty that they would get paid more outside the org. Very perceptive chap this Elron. :yes:

Axiom142
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Incidently, what is a Magistrate lineup? Tom Fisher, TTC I/T, is at flag training what...to be a Magistrate??? Do we have them down here? I thought they were judges, and it took years and years to become one. Now you can train for a couple of weeks.......oh please!

A couple of weeks?

As far as I remember, the line-up included being able to sec-check as well as all the ethics training available. So something like Class II (along with ALL its huge pre-requisites like Pro TRs Course, Pro Metering Course, etc. etc.); Senior Sec Checker Course and Internship; Ethics Officer Hat, and whatever Ethics Specialist training consists of these days. Maybe OEC Vol 1 too.

Paul
 

Lucretia

Patron with Honors
A couple of weeks?

As far as I remember, the line-up included being able to sec-check as well as all the ethics training available. So something like Class II (along with ALL its huge pre-requisites like Pro TRs Course, Pro Metering Course, etc. etc.); Senior Sec Checker Course and Internship; Ethics Officer Hat, and whatever Ethics Specialist training consists of these days. Maybe OEC Vol 1 too.

Paul

Thanks for the info. I'd never heard of it before. So I guess poor old Tom will be gone from hearth and home for years. But what does a $cn Magistrate do? Recover all us misguided SP's and make us into proper ronbots again?
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
I knew a guy (I spose I still do) on Melbourne staff who was a pretty carefree guy - Leigh Crouch was/is his name.

He went to Flag to become an E/O and came back the nastiest, uptight asshole you'd ever meet.

God help whoever does the full magistrate training.
 

Lucretia

Patron with Honors
He went to Flag to become an E/O and came back the nastiest, uptight asshole you'd ever meet.

I was E/O for a while, and I was a nasty uptight arsehole too. I didn't need flag training either - it went with the territory. Anyone required to wander around the org with a swagger stick, or even a clip board, will have their demeanor completely shot to pieces. It doesn't help either when the ED turns up and demands you put so and so into such and such a condition, and if you don't then the condition will apply to you. Ethics tech is enough to turn anyone into a self righteous scum-sucking creep. Tom's got a lovely road ahead of him! Sorry ...I'm still a bit cross.
 
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Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Understood. But most of the TTC are at Flag, training it appears. I know $cilons are loose with the truth and intention to do is considered a done.

If they are at Flag, and their org is not sending vast amounts of money for their "room and board", then they are working at Flag doing cleaning and such to work off their living expenses.

The true motivation behind Int's demand to send TTC people to upper orgs, is to create a supply of indentured servants, both during their training, and then later with huge "freeloader debts".
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
I was E/O for a while, and I was a nasty uptight arsehole too. I didn't need flag training either - it went with the territory. Anyone required to wander around the org with a swagger stick, or even a clip board, will have their demeanor completely shot to pieces. It doesn't help either when the ED turns up and demands you put so and so into such and such a condition, and if you don't then the condition will apply to you. Ethics tech is enough to turn anyone into a self righteous scum-sucking creep. Tom's got a lovely road ahead of him! Sorry ...I'm still a bit cross.

When your only power is your ability to intimidate people into compliance, and you get drilled that you have to behave a certain way in order to get compliance, then you get habituated into being a scum-sucking creep.
 

Lucretia

Patron with Honors
When your only power is your ability to intimidate people into compliance, and you get drilled that you have to behave a certain way in order to get compliance, then you get habituated into being a scum-sucking creep.

Too true. It didn't sit all that well with me I have to say, but I should have had a bit more personal integrity (no, the irony is not lost on me!), and behaved a bit better. But, hey I was saving this sector of the universe, as we all were. Anything goes - and still does....

So, the sooner all the orgs are operating out of garrets in little houses in the burbs, the better. Not just in Oz either!
 
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