[video=youtube;9RPPjOSFKok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RPPjOSFKok[/video]
Related WWP thread:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/rathbun-armstrong-the-debate-is-on.111336/
For starters, here's a post from the thread featuring reviews of the book, 'What's Wrong with Scientology?' To connect with the thread, and see the quotes from the book in SpecialFrog's post, click the horizontal arrows:
Still working my way, and I did have some favorable things to say about the book, but the chapter on "Suppression" just keeps getting worse and worse.
First of all, there is the equating of "SPs", as defined by Hubbard, with "sociopaths", as defined by the mental health community:
I'm not an expert but I have a pretty decent familiarity with the field of mental health and I don't see the definition of an SP as being very much like a sociopath at all.
From there he pretends that under Hubbard, most people who got SP declares actually were sociopaths! But under Miscavige:
There is an interesting aside on Miscavige's rise to power:
Which fledgling movement was this? AAC? Also, who helped Miscavige in this endeavor?
However, the bit that really got me outraged was when Marty laments that Hubbard wanted to try and help incurable SPs so he created the RPF to do so, inadvertently creating an ongoing source of bad PR for the church.
Yes, apparently all the Scientology management declared by Hubbard actually were SPs, but despite their betrayal, the Ol' Man still wanted to help them. And then Miscavige turned his noble undertaking into a tool for sociopaths to abuse healthy people.
And I still have over 100 pages to go.
Marty's attempt to make Hubbard's Suppressive Person writings respectable, and even depict these writings as being ahead of their time, and ultimately validated and adopted by psychology, is so strange that focusing on his assertions is enough to induce a migraine.
It may be that Marty is attempting to minimize his own misdeeds, as Miscavige's right hand man, so as to exempt himself from feelings of guilt.
If so, then, while (perhaps unconsciously) gilding Hubbard's Suppressive Person Doctrine lily, so to speak, so as to minimize or eliminate his sense of guilt, he's also breathing new life into a dangerous and hurtful doctrine.
The difficulty with debating Marty is that Marty is unlikely to participate in any debate, and that, while Marty insists that his views, currently, have not changed from those expressed in his books, it appears that Marty's views are - slowly - changing.
It would be a beneficial experience for Marty to participate in this debate, as it would help him to clarify his thinking; however, his thinking, clarified, would then require his revising some of the content of his books, and, apparently, these books, as Marty sees them, are the final word.
Except, I suppose, there could be a fourth book, that would correct and/or clarify the earlier books.
As a side note, the Hubbard voice in the video, reading segments of documents such as 'Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists' of 7 March 1965, is startling.