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What does it take to get out of the RPF?

Ladybird

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Here are a couple RPF stories explaining a bit about how hard it is to get off the RPF these days. Remember also that all your ID, money, credit cards, Passport and liscences are kept locked up. In many cases Sea Org have disconnected from their outside families and fear losing all their families and friends on the inside if they just leave. Many joined as teens and have never had a real job or even finished High School. They have spent years being told the outside world is dangerous and they have not been allowed to read the Internet, watch TV or even read Newspapers or magazines for years.

It is not as easy as it might seem to someone who has never been in that situation.

RPF Insider said:
Do you know why there are so
few guys that graduate the RPF program? Well, check this out. A new "Final
Assessment" came down from INT about a year ago.A " twin-ship" has to assess
this list on each other on the E-Meter. There cannot be any reactions or
reads on the needle at all, on the following questions. The slightest bad
thought or incorrect idea in any of these areas would create a reaction on
the needle. About 30-40% of the entire RPF is on this last step - BUT ARE
NOT MAKING IT THROUGH! This is supposed to be a "final check" on the entire
program, which takes an average of 1-2 years although some guys take much
longer, for example Ken Shapiro has been on the RPF for about 6 years. Great
PR and expectations have been shoved down our throats that the RPF should
only take 6 months, which is practically impossible. It's a twisted dream
turning into a nightmare and many twinships at the end of the program are
really getting frustrated and are not making it through.
....
Someone
decides "that's it" no more chances and then evidence is held against you
and you have no defense against "Scientology Justice." If some high exec
decides you are out -- then you are! This final assessment for graduating
the RPF is a printed list and available to any RPFer so it's easy to get
hold of. How would you like to have these questions barked in your face,
while on a video camera? Then expecting that it's a clean needle on the
emeter, and you fully agree...


1. Regarding Int Execs, do you have an evil purpose?
2. Regarding Int Execs. do you have a vicious intent?
3. Regarding Int Execs, have you been spreading Black PR?
4. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have an evil purpose?
5. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have a vicious intent?
6. Regarding RTC Execs, have you been spreading Black PR?
7. Regarding LRH, do you have an evil purpose?
8. Regarding LRH. do you have a vicious intent?
9. Regarding LRH, have you been spreading Black PR?
10. Regarding LRH, do you have any bad thoughts?
11. Are you secretly disaffected with Management?
12. Do you have any withholds from RTC?
13. Do you have any intention to stop Scientology?
14. Do you have any intention to stop Scientology dissemination?
15. On your RPF program, has an evil purpose been missed?


This has to be done on a video, with a close up on the dial and the PreClear
holding the cans. It's done as a full formal session and if you go to the
examiner afterwards and your needle is not "floating," meaning that you are
happy and agree, then you have to go back in session again -- over and over.
When you think you have a "clean assessment" you send it to the RPF I/C for
inspection and when he agrees he sends it on to the Senior C/S WUS in CMO
across the street for final approval. When it's approved for both you and
your twin, you have filled the last requirement on the program and can
submit your full data for final approval to RTC to graduate. Of an average
of 180 RPFers, there are 1 or 2 twinships that graduate every 4-6 months.
There are many more being assigned to the RPF in that time period and there
are quite few that get Fitness Boarded out if they don't move on the program
with their twin. You are basically 100% responsible for your twin, and
anything happening to him/her is your responsibility. In other words, nobody
is graduating alone, but always and only with your assigned twin. For some
reason there have been quite a lot RPF arrivals over the last few months
coming down from Int or OSA or GOLD. They don't look happy. Maybe they have
disagreements or they cannot put up with the Management or the regime of
David Miscarriage or are unable to please him with what he expects out of
their abilities. For some reason it's not a priority for us to see the
International events anymore. It used to be "an information line" to let all
RPFers know what is going on. We were about to see the LRH Birthday event in
March this year, and were seated and ready to see it, then the RPF I/C came
in and canceled it. We had to go and clean our rooms and then go to bed.
Maybe there was something on there that was not good for us to see?? Usually
the glorious Birthday Game is the highlight of the year, it covers all the
big wins and international expansion. I'm really curious to find out why we
couldn't see it, and I will, once I get out of here...
Everyone assigned to the RPF has to sign a waiver that one is doing the
program on his on volition for the purpose of getting oneself redeemed. No
one is forced to do the RPF and technically people are not held here against
their will, but nobody wants to be here. I believe that the majority are
working hard on this program, originally outlined by LRH on the ship Apollo.
They want to "make good" and "be forgiven" so they can get back in the group
and back to their old buddies and "help clear the planet." It might sound
fanatic and it is. But that's what is crammed in to your head when working
in the Sea Org. After many years, you forget how important other parts of
life are, like any interests, sport, hobbies and much less having any kind
of decent family life. So RPFers dedicate themselves to do all they can, and
they hang in there year after year on the RPF trying to graduate -- however,
one day you are told, "that's it!". Your time is up and you didn't make it,
so you get Fitness Boarded out of the Sea Org. Then you get dumped on the
street with severance pay of $500.
There is a totally different approach for someone who WANTS to leave. If you
say you want to leave, this is called "a blow." Then you get sec checked
over and over and not until several questions have been totally cleaned and
you have a "floating needle" are you allowed to complete the rest of the
steps to finally be able to go.


Chuck Beatty said:
2 Flag RPFers hoped to graduate the RPF with the help of the Golden
Age of Tech "Drills Simulator."

Sometime in the early 2000s, a pair of Flag RPFers who were "twinning"
on the Clearwater RPF, decided they'd beat the bureaucratic system,
and use DM's Golden Age of Tech sparkling device known as the "Drills
Simulator" to their advantage.


It backfired and the two were offloaded from the Sea Org promptly, for
their creative efforts, which I suppose actually was a great way to
get out of the Sea Org.


The Drills Simulator is electronic console device that was implemented
in 1996 when the Golden Age of Tech realistic drilling procedures were
implemented. The Drills Simular small console with buttons is hooked
up to the Super Mark VIIs and Quantum emeters, and pushing buttons on
the Drills Simulator console produces emeter reactions on the emeter,
thus the Drills Simulator is a key part of the new Golden Age of
Tech's realistic drills. The GAT drills are in the nifty binders that
take up about 30 feet of shelf space in all class rooms in all churchs
internationally. The Drills Simulator is a mainstay device for
realistic training of new auditors.


Well also the RPFs around the world have GAT drills for the RPFers,
and they all use the Drills Simulator in precisely the same way for
the RPFers training.


After their training the RPFers spend months/years auditing one
another's created "evil purposes" to Floating Needle and evil purposes
"blown" out of their minds.


One all their evil purposes are extinguished with Hubbard's technical
processing, the RPFers must do a final 30 question assessment (calling
off of about 30 questoins to which they SHOULD NOT react negatively)
to show that the RPFers are truly all squeaky clean and ready to
return honestly to Sea Org staffer duty.


Anyways, the final final requirement technically is what is called a
"Clean Assessment" the list of about 30 questions which is video'd and
a video of the emeter's needle reaction must demonstrate a perfectly
"clean" needle throughout the 30 question assessement.


Well this pair of creative Flag RPFer twins decided to hook up their
meter to the Drills Simulator, and they punched the Drills Simulator
console button calling up a "Persistent Small Floating Needle" which
showed up on their emeter, and that was video'd and they turned in
their video'd perfect "Persistent Small Floating Needle" for their
"Final Assessment Video" but alas, they got caught and offloaded
(summarily kicked out of the Sea Org).


This incident, and the creative efforts of these two Sea Org RPFers is
an important historical incident, which I think is hugely indicative
of Scientology.


Chuck Beatty
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Wouldn't it be fun to see the Alex character answer these questions?

1. Regarding Int Execs, do you have an evil purpose?
2. Regarding Int Execs. do you have a vicious intent?
3. Regarding Int Execs, have you been spreading Black PR?
4. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have an evil purpose?
5. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have a vicious intent?
6. Regarding RTC Execs, have you been spreading Black PR?
7. Regarding LRH, do you have an evil purpose?
8. Regarding LRH. do you have a vicious intent?
9. Regarding LRH, have you been spreading Black PR?
10. Regarding LRH, do you have any bad thoughts?
11. Are you secretly disaffected with Management?
12. Do you have any withholds from RTC?
13. Do you have any intention to stop Scientology?
14. Do you have any intention to stop Scientology dissemination?
15. On your RPF program, has an evil purpose been missed?

Zinj
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
I fucking hate that assessment. I received it a million times!!!! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Old memories....

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Regarding the RPF: The minimum time seems to be 2 years. Its a miracle if you get out by then. Alot of people end up on it for five to ten years. Every once in a while they do a clean out on people who have taken too long and route them out.

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LRH says you should get at least one Comm Ev per year and every Sea Org member should end up on the RPF at least once in their life.

I read that somewhere, dont remember where.
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
I fucking hate that assessment. I received it a million times!!!! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Old memories....

1. Regarding Int Execs, do you have an something you would truly like to say?

2. Regarding Int Execs. do you have a true intent?

3. Regarding Int Execs, have you been spreading the truth?

4. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have an good purpose?

5. Regarding RTC Execs, do you have a helpful intent?

6. Regarding Int Execs, did they give you a few 1000 wrong items?

7. Regarding Int Execs. did they make you doubt your own observations?

8. Regarding Int Execs, have you been happier without them?

9. Regarding RTC Execs, is there anything more you would like to say?

10. Regarding RTC Execs, are they a suppressive group?

:love11: :love11: :love11: :love11:
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Alan!!!!

:love2:

:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

11. Has L Ron Hubbard, Mary-Sue Hubbard, David Miscavige, RTC Execs, GO, OSA, SO or anyone professing to be an agent of theirs - put you into oppostion with or got you to disconnect from those you loved and cared for?

12. Has L Ron Hubbard, Mary-Sue Hubbard, David Miscavige, RTC Execs, GO, OSA, SO or anyone professing to be an agent of theirs - convinced you to do harmful acts that dishonored yourself, or caused you to restrain your reach, your love and your care for your fellow man?

:love11: :love11: :love11: :love11: :love11:

Alan
 

lrnobs

Patron with Honors
It is hardly the "slave labor camp" sometime described as the only factor keeping the person there is their own agreement.

One could just walk away and go home except for the mindset.

alex


Nonsense. There is physical restraint. No one can just walk away, that is why they look for opportunities to escape when no one is looking.

Members have to act crazy and appear to be not salvageable in order for the SO to willingly let them go without intense pressure. :storm:
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Nonsense. There is physical restraint. No one can just walk away, that is why they look for opportunities to escape when no one is looking.

Members have to act crazy and appear to be not salvageable in order for the SO to willingly let them go without intense pressure. :storm:

I'd say its more complicated than that. I was battling in my head for years about staying and going.

You are made to beleive, and you do truly beleive, to your core, that Scientology is the ONLY thing that can free man. The ONLY solution. And so even if it seems like its wrong, or you dont want to be there, you automatically start thinking that there is something seriously wrong with yourself for thinking these bad things.

Its a mindset. Call it brainwashing, or whatever you want to call it.

But one is really made to think that it is something wrong with THEM, and no-one else really feels that way.

I wanted to take off so many times. And I did. Then I would rethink and decide that I was really wrong for doing so, and contact someone in the church, or just come back on my own. I was sick and tired of many, many things. I really wanted out. But I was also very scared to get out. Very afraid of what would happen to me.

You can say that someone can just walk out. Sure. It takes a lot of guts and persistence. But there is always that lingering doubt about whether or not it is right or not. Plus you know you are going to lose every friend and family member if you just walk out and don't do things their way - and take 8 years to get out, like Chuck Beatty.

So yes, you CAN just walk out. Or do it the right way, which is just a drop in time, compared to the billion year contract, right?
 

sandygirl

Silver Meritorious Patron
Not only is there physical restraint, if the SO gets a slight whiff of you wanting to leave you are separated from your spouse immediatly.

Think of being watched 24/7, no one there to help you or let you make up your mind of what you really want to do with your life, no phone calls allowed, no $ and a very deep fear.
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Not only is there physical restraint, if the SO gets a slight whiff of you wanting to leave you are separated from your spouse immediatly.

Think of being watched 24/7, no one there to help you or let you make up your mind of what you really want to do with your life, no phone calls allowed, no $ and a very deep fear.

Spot on!!!

You CAN just walk out. No-one will physically restrain you. But you will lose everything: your spouse, your friends and your family. You dis the church, everyone you know from the church will dis you, totally and utterly.
 

sandygirl

Silver Meritorious Patron
Bea-don't even get me started!

Here's another one-if you want to marry and your loved one is either higher ofr lower qualed then you to move uplines--Guess what.......

That marriage will be STRONGLY discouraged-it's not the greatest good blah...blah.. blah...

Doesn't really matter if you found someone to love that loves you back.

Who cares about love when we have a planet to save? (What BS!):confused2: :confused2:
 

lrnobs

Patron with Honors
Spot on!!!

You CAN just walk out. No-one will physically restrain you. But you will lose everything: your spouse, your friends and your family. You dis the church, everyone you know from the church will dis you, totally and utterly.

Bea,

I was talking about the RPF. As an SO member who has the freedom to go out in public you can just leave when no one around you knows that is your intent.

But RPF'rs are locked in. :innocent2:

And Int is another story altogether. :nailbiting:
 

sandygirl

Silver Meritorious Patron
sorry-I think I just went way off the subject-RPF I
still too excited to say things that were pent up for years!

Bear with me:melodramatic:
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Spot on!!!

You CAN just walk out. No-one will physically restrain you. But you will lose everything: your spouse, your friends and your family. You dis the church, everyone you know from the church will dis you, totally and utterly.

God! That is so aweful - to me my family, my friends are what make life worth living! :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Sorry. I was referring to the RPF. I am an EXPERT. I promise. I have spent 6 years of my life on the RPF.

You CAN just walk out. They cannot physically restrain you.

My earlier comment still stands.
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Int is a horse of another color of which I know little about.


I know one person who took off from Int and they had tons of people searching for him. For weeks. Usual. You CAN take off from the SO and the RPF.

But they will come looking for you to get you back in and "fixed".
 

BAYCB

Patron with Honors
Sorry. I was referring to the RPF. I am an EXPERT. I promise. I have spent 6 years of my life on the RPF.

You CAN just walk out. They cannot physically restrain you.

My earlier comment still stands.

Bea,

You’re a very strong person to last 6 years in the RPF.

My original question was what does it take to get out of the RPF. I know you're given a program, but does everyone get the same program? Or, is it geared to how someone needs to be handled/punished?

Someone told me that you can't get out until you reach the case level of OT3. Is this true?
 

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Bea,

You’re a very strong person to last 6 years in the RPF.

My original question was what does it take to get out of the RPF. I know you're given a program, but does everyone get the same program? Or, is it geared to how someone needs to be handled/punished?

Someone told me that you can't get out until you reach the case level of OT3. Is this true?

You dont have to get to OT III. The basic RPF program is False Purpose Rundown auditing (a type of confessional which also supposedly locates underlying evil purposes to a persons transgressions) on all 8 dynamics.

Certain cases have to go up to OT V. Those are because of certain case reasons (called List One rock Slammers) they have to go up to OT V to handle it.

It is not everyone who has to do that.

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Once you have completed all of the auditing, one has to ask permission (called a CSW) to graduate. It has to be approved by CMO Int and RTC. (The CSW takes months to get approved. At least when I was there).

Those 6 years were 3 different times, by the way.
 

BAYCB

Patron with Honors
You dont have to get to OT III. The basic RPF program is False Purpose Rundown auditing (a type of confessional which also supposedly locates underlying evil purposes to a persons transgressions) on all 8 dynamics.

Certain cases have to go up to OT V. Those are because of certain case reasons (called List One rock Slammers) they have to go up to OT V to handle it.

It is not everyone who has to do that.

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Once you have completed all of the auditing, one has to ask permission (called a CSW) to graduate. It has to be approved by CMO Int and RTC. (The CSW takes months to get approved. At least when I was there).

Those 6 years were 3 different times, by the way.


Thanks for the info.... even 3 times through is amazing. You should have been awarded some type of special cert.

From what I have read from others experiences, don't understand how any kind of real auditing can occur under the conditions you were in.
 

Colleen K. Peltomaa

Silver Meritorious Patron
What does it take to get out of the RPF? That is what I would like to ask Lester Bland (formerly ASHO) and Cary Goulston, both no longer members of the S.O.
 
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