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A thetan can create another thetan

uniquemand

Unbeliever
I don't believe in the aforementioned spirit world as a "real thing", but I do understand that people have experiences that they are trying to define or explain in words, and that this set of words "spirit world" seems to make sense to a lot of people. To me, this "world" is actually a "virtual reality", created by the organism's nervous system. It has such an extreme "survival value" that this "world" is maintained at all costs by the organism, and is immediately re-erected as soon as the nervous system is capable of it after catastrophic failures, or just normal sleep. It is a recursive mirrored world, where there are ever more rarified levels. The most basic is perceptual interpretation, and then there are derivations further and further from sense data, until you arrive at the entirely subjective level, barely related to "shared reality" of the inter-subjective (often referred to as objective) reality level.

I think when people are communicating with a "higher self", it is simply one of these rarified derivations, rather than any immortal being in a "spirit world".
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Ok, spirits can create other spirits. How did we create ourselves?? Anyone know?

The "whole" began the process of individualization. However the Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy quotes the population of the universe as "zero" so therefore anyone that you may meet is a product of his own deluded imagination.
 

Vinaire

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I don't know how much I am willing to explain here of Newton's research, especially since I've said it all before on that thread, but we'll see. What he found (not his ideas) is that beings exist outside the time stream in what I'll call the spirit world. It is a highly structured place, with the equivalent of friends, soulmates, groups, classes, buildings, machines, purposes, "work" and "leisure" activities and so forth. He calls this "Life-Between-Lives."

Beings sometimes enter the time stream and pick up bodies on Earth. They do this by sort-of splitting their energy, maybe leaving 30-70% "up there" and the rest here on Earth during that particular incarnation. It is not at all the case that when one is running a body one is "down here" and not "up there", and vice versa — not at all the Hubbard scenario of it's all on Earth and then you die, and God help you because you have to escape the Marcab Between-Lives Implanters, and then you pretty soon go and pick up another body, and the period between death and birth is a sort of hazy limbo (apart from maybe being implanted if you hadn't paid Hubbard enough).

So someone, in a spiritual sense, can be both down here and "up there." If your friend or relative died on Earth, they (as a spiritual being) went back to the spirit world, and their energy coalesced with their "higher self" and they became whole again. If they, five years later, went and picked up another body on Earth, you can still communicate with the part of the being "up there", although the bit split off and engaged in another life on Earth is probably not going to be too receptive to you.

Newton is not too specific on the "age" thingy, but my interpretation from what he has written is as I said before. How one puts an age to someone outside the time stream is difficult, but I did it by counting it as 100,000 years if the being's first incarnation on Earth was 100,000 years ago. It's not exact but one has to start somewhere. He describes the "birthing" process to some extent.

There's whole heaps more, but I'm not going to put it in this post.

By "thetan" I mean the immortal spiritual part of a person, not particularly as Hubbard described it. He was all over the place on the matter, and called different things "thetan" as his ideas and maybe drug prescriptions changed.

Paul

I wonder if "Hubbard" is still "up there" getting some handling, or part of him is back down here again as part of his handling.

To me Newton's stuff is another bit of illusion.

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paradox

ab intra silentio vera
To me Newton's stuff is another bit of illusion.

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Crickey, looks like another total mindfuck setup to me. How would YOU like to be put in a trance by this bloke and have his sort of patter thrown at you? I haven't read any of his material but have found and downloaded a couple of his books to look through. Below is a post from this forum's thread, http://forum.mind-energy.net/skeptiko-podcast/984-life-between-lives-dr-michael-newton.html

Yes, that's the question. In the books, they allude to animals even having souls, even though they're not the same kind as us (souls that inhabit humans). So, what would it look like for a living thing not to have a soul? Would it be like.... mice? Like.... insects? Like.... plantlife? I don't know.

I think I know where you're going with this because I asked myself the same question. When I die, is it me that will survive or some other being that just hitched a ride and experienced my experiences with me? I personally think that it is me that will survive. The person that's sitting right here at this computer questioning souls and consciousness is the soul that will survive. There is no other "me".

I'd hate to think that some beings do survive while others don't.
I'm not sure I'd want to survive under those circumstances.
I recall reading in the books that the souls sometime leave their bodies
and "play" with the children.
The books also say that sometimes the souls have to persuade the child to
let them in.

Here's a quote for example:


"Case 67
Dr. N: Tell me what it is like to enter the mind of a baby and when
you usually enter.
S: In the beginning I think of it as a betrothal. I entered my current
body in the eighth month. I prefer to enter on the late side when the
brain is larger so I have more to work with during the coupling.
Dr. N: Isn't there a downside to entering late? I mean, you are then
dealing with a more independent individual.
S: Some of my friends feel that way, I don't. I want to be able to talk
with the child when there is more mutual awareness.
Dr. N: (being dense to elicit a response) Talk—talk to a fetus—what
are you saying ...?
S: (laughs at me) Of course we interact with the child.
Dr. N: Take me through this slowly. Who says what first?
S: The child may say, "Who are you?" I answer, "A friend who has
come to play and be a part of you."
Dr. N: (with deliberate provocation) Isn't that deceitful? You haven't
come to play. You have come to occupy this mind.
S: Oh, please! Who have you been talking to? This mind and my soul
were created to be together. Do you think I am some sort of foreign
intruder on Earth? I have joined with babies who welcomed me as if
I were expected.
Dr. N: There are souls who have had a different experience.
S: Look, I know souls who are clumsy. They go in like bulls in a china
shop with their over-eagerness to get started with an agenda. Too
much frontal energy all at once sets up resistance.
Dr. N: In your current lifetime, was the child at all anxious about your
entry?
S: No, they don't know enough yet to be anxious. 1 begin by caressing
the brain. I am able to immediately project warm thoughts of love
and companionship. Most of the babies just accept me as being part
of themselves. A few hold back—like my current body.
Dr. N: Oh, really? What was unusual about this fetus?
S: It wasn't a big deal. Its thoughts were, "Now that you are here, who
am I going to be?"
Dr. N: I think that's a very big deal. Essentially, the child is acknowledging
that its identity depends on you.
S: (patiently) The child has begun to ask itself, "Who am I?" Some
children are more aware of this than others. A few are resistant
because, to them, we are an irritation to their inert beginnings— like
a pearl in an oyster.
Dr. N: So you don't feel the child senses it is being forced to give up
something of its individuality?
S: No, we have come as souls to give the child ... depth of personality. Its
being is enhanced by our presence. Without us they would largely
function as unripened fruit.
Dr. N: But does the child understand any of this before birth?
S: It only knows that I want to be friends so we can do things together.
We begin by communicating with each other with simple things such
as an uncomfortable body position in the mother's womb. There have
been times when the umbilical chord was wrapped around the neck of
the baby and I have calmed the child where otherwise it might have
squirmed and made things worse.
Dr. N: Please continue with how you assist the baby.
S: I prepare the child for birth, which is going to be a shock when it
happens. Imagine being forced out of a warm, comfortable, secure
womb into the bright lights of a hospital room ... the noise ... having to
breathe air... being handled. The child appreciates my help because
my primary goal now is to combat fear by soothing the brain with
assurances that everything will be fine.
Dr. N: I wonder what it was like for children before souls came to help
them?
S: The brain was too primitive then to conceptualize the trauma of
birthing. There was little awareness. (Laughs) Of course I wasn't
around in those days.
Dr. N: Are you able to calm anxious mothers in any way?
S: We must be proficient. During much of my existence I had little or no
effect on my mothers if they were frightened, sad or angry during
pregnancy. You must be able to align your energy vibrations with both
the child and the mother's natural body rhythms. You have to
harmonize three sets of wave levels—which includes your own—to
soothe the mother. I might even have the baby kick the mother to let
her know we are all right.
Dr. N: Then at birth, I supposed the hard work of the merger is
over?
S: To be honest, the merger isn't complete yet for me. I talk to my body
as a second entity up to the age of six. It is better not to force a full
meld right away. We play games as two people tor a while.
Dr. N: I have noticed a lot of young children talk to themselves as if
they were with an imaginary playmate. Is that their soul?
S: (grinning) That's right, although our guides enjoy playing with us as
young children too. And have you also noticed the elderly talking to
themselves a lot? They are preparing for separation at the other end
in their own way.
Dr. N: In general how do you feel about coming back to Earth in life
after life?
S: As a gift. This is such a muhifaceted planet. Sure, this place brings
heartache, but it is delightful too and incredibly heautiful. The human
body is a marvel of form and structure. 1 never cease to be awed by
each new body, the many different ways I can express myself in them,
especially in the most important way—love."

http://forum.mind-energy.net/16339-post11.html
 

SpaceVaccine888

Acintya Bhedabheda-Tattva
So someone, in a spiritual sense, can be both down here and "up there."

I've always believed this. During our "waking" hours is when we're running this body, and what we call "dreaming" is simply our transferring into the spirit world body for a while.
 
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