Aftermath Announcement

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Maybe this whole "You're in it for the money" thing that the church goes after critics for is simply meant to introvert critics?

And maybe we shouldn't be so "PTS to the Middle Class" about it.

Mike and Leah are making great money at it.

The actual exes who appear on their show are not.

You make a lot assumptions about other people's motivations to push your narrative. Everyone on ESMB have their own motivation. I have never been paid for anything I've done to address the abuses of the cult of Scientology here or anywhere else and I never expect to be - but I have donated a lot in terms of time, material resources and money. Why should other people be any different?

We have our heroes and opinion leaders and like any other group we assess their plus and negative points and support them on the totality of their contributions and value. It isn't a zero sum game. You can't compartmentalize it to suit a narrative. And things are fluid. Nobody knows what is going to happen.

You seem to want to freeze and crystallize everything like some kind of Alinskyite strategy. Given that you have already tipped your hand using socialist "Tribalism" rhetoric maybe that is exactly how you think. Here you have also reduced the discussion to socialist class warfare like we are supposed to think in terms of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

I have often expressed my theory that most people who get into Scientology are idealists and utopianists with basic orientations toward socialism and communism. Hubbard was an amoralist and exploited both utopianist and pragmatist orientations to suit his personal ambitions. Some Scientologists change their orientation from one to the other in various degrees based on Hubbard's rhetoric but I suspect most retain their original untopianist socialist ideology even after leaving Scientology.

 

[Alanzo]

You make a lot assumptions about other people's motivations to push your narrative. Everyone on ESMB have their own motivation. I have never been paid for anything I've done to address the abuses of the cult of Scientology here or anywhere else and I never expect to be - but I have donated a lot in terms of time, material resources and money. Why should other people be any different?

We have our heroes and opinion leaders and like any other group we assess their plus and negative points and support them on the totality of their contributions and value. It isn't a zero sum game. You can't compartmentalize it to suit a narrative. And things are fluid. Nobody knows what is going to happen.

You seem to want to freeze and crystallize everything like some kind of Alinskyite strategy. Given that you have already tipped your hand using socialist "Tribalism" rhetoric maybe that is exactly how you think. Here you have also reduced the discussion to socialist class warfare like we are supposed to think in terms of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.

I have often expressed my theory that most people who get into Scientology are idealists and utopianists with basic orientations toward socialism and communism. Hubbard was an amoralist and exploited both utopianist and pragmatist orientations to suit his personal ambitions. Some Scientologists change their orientation from one to the other in various degrees based on Hubbard's rhetoric but I suspect most retain their original untopianist socialist ideology even after leaving Scientology.

Just talking about the weird new realities and (perhaps) unintended consequences of Leah Remini's and Mike Rinder's Celebrity Anti-Scientology.

That's allowed on the New ESMB, isn't it?

 

[Veda]

Alanzo, what's your opinion of Tony Ortega and Paulette Cooper?
and their friendship with Mike Rinder?

 

[Alanzo]

Alanzo, what's your opinion of Tony Ortega and Paulette Cooper?
and their friendship with Mike Rinder?

I don't feel that this is is important. Should it be?

Tony Ortega has for years now introduced Mike Rinder as a "former Scientology spokesman" in his stories. This PR re-positioning of Mike Rinder has resulted in people who know nothing of Scientology other than what they've seen on Aftermath, and read on Tony's blog, to believe that Mike Rinder has never had anything to do with fair game, or OSA.

He was just a spokesman.

One woman, recently in the news connected to Danny Masterson, did not even know Mike Rinder worked for OSA - let alone that he was CO OSA when she reported her rape to the Church of Scientology. And she had been working with Mike and Leah for years on her story.

I believe that Tony and Mike have an "understanding" that punching up Mike's reputation by whitewashing his history works in both their favors.

 

[Veda]

I don't feel that this is is important. Should it be?

Tony Ortega has for years now introduced Mike Rinder as a "former Scientology spokesman" in his stories. This PR re-positioning of Mike Rinder has resulted in people who know nothing of Scientology other than what they've seen on Aftermath, and read on Tony's blog, to believe that Mike Rinder has never had anything to do with fair game, or OSA.

He was just a spokesman.

One woman, recently in the news connected to Danny Masterson, did not even know Mike Rinder worked for OSA - let alone that he was CO OSA when she reported her rape to the Church of Scientology. And she had been working with Mike and Leah for years on her story.

I believe that Tony and Mike have an "understanding" that punching up Mike's reputation by whitewashing his history works in both their favors.

You only responded to half the question.

What's your opinion of Paulette Cooper?

 

[Alanzo]

You only responded to half the question.

​

What's your opinion of Paulette Cooper?​

I think Paulette's awesome.

Are you running another loyalty test on me?

​

 

[Veda]

I think Paulette's awesome.

Are you running another loyalty test on me?

​

Do you think L. Ron Hubbard should have gone to prison for what he did to her?

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Maybe this whole "You're in it for the money" thing that the church goes after critics for is simply meant to introvert critics?

And maybe we shouldn't be so "PTS to the Middle Class" about it.

Mike and Leah are making great money at it.

The actual exes who appear on their show are not.

I appeared on the show and did not get paid. It was an important aspect of the show that the guests were not paid, particularly since CSI claimed we were in the hateful websites they created for each show and its guests.

I don't care what Mike and Leah received in compensation for the show.

 

[Alanzo]

Do you think L. Ron Hubbard should have gone to prison for what he did to her?

Yes.

How'm I doin?

 

[Tanchi]

I don't feel that this is is important. Should it be?

Tony Ortega has for years now introduced Mike Rinder as a "former Scientology spokesman" in his stories. This PR re-positioning of Mike Rinder has resulted in people who know nothing of Scientology other than what they've seen on Aftermath, and read on Tony's blog, to believe that Mike Rinder has never had anything to do with fair game, or OSA.

He was just a spokesman.

One woman, recently in the news connected to Danny Masterson, did not even know Mike Rinder worked for OSA - let alone that he was CO OSA when she reported her rape to the Church of Scientology. And she had been working with Mike and Leah for years on her story.

I believe that Tony and Mike have an "understanding" that punching up Mike's reputation by whitewashing his history works in both their favors.

Like how your and Rathbun's blog linked to each others after they called off their lawsuit?

 

[Alanzo]

I appeared on the show and did not get paid. It was an important aspect of the show that the guests were not paid, particularly since CSI claimed we were in the hateful websites they created for each show and its guests.

I don't care what Mike and Leah received in compensation for the show.

I don't know which episode you were in, but I think it's good that you got to tell your story on TV.

You do realize that Mike Rinder, the guy who fairgamed critics for 22 years, and CREATED these stories - perhaps even yours - made a bunch of money on your story and the others. And you say that you don't care.

Fair enough.

Do you know about any of the others, especially some of the kids who worked with the show, and what happened to them as a result of their unpaid work?

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

LOL, how could Mike Rinder create MY story?

 

[Alanzo]

LOL, how could Mike Rinder create MY story?

Sorry. I don;t know who you are in real life. I just know you by your screen name and have for years.

I apologize, but you're not really giving me information here - on purpose.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Sorry. I don;t know who you are in real life. I just know you by your screen name and have for years.

I apologize, but you're not really giving me information here - on purpose.

You're the one who suggested rinder "created" my story. Over to you.

 

[Alanzo]

You're the one who suggested rinder "created" my story. Over to you.

Are you saying Rinder NEVER created anyone's fair game story?

Even the ones which were told on Aftermath?

 

[Veda]

Yes.

How'm I doin?

What did Hubbard do that would justify sending him to prison?

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Are you saying Rinder NEVER created anyone's fair game story?

Even the ones which were told on Aftermath?

Are you having some difficulty reading and understanding English?

 

[Alanzo]

Are you having some difficulty reading and understanding English?

Hey man - fun talk.

See ya round.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Why you blowing? Overts?

 

[Alanzo]

Why you blowing? Overts?

Blowing the comm cycle?

"A sudden or unauthorized departure" from our conversation?

Do I need a CSW?