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lexmark

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This morning I watched the circus. It was on the BBC featuring the new budget starring the politicians. Although it was about the tragic mess of the British economy it was also reflecting most of the world econonomy especially that of Europe and USA.


Toward a Spiritual Economics
By Amit Goswami
Physics Dept, University of Oregon,

Many people think that capitalism and market economics grew out of materialist philosophy that classical physics has given us. But this is myopic thinking of people who have missed the evolution of consciousness in the affairs of the manifest world.

First notice that during the period that capitalism developed in the hands of such luminaries as Adam Smith, it was Cartesian dualism under the modernist umbrella that was the influential metaphysic, not materialism. In modernism, mind and meaning are valued.

Second, notice that capitalism replaced feudalism and the mercantile economy (Adam Smith’s term for the economy prevalent in England in his time) in which the pursuit of meaning is highly limited and vast numbers of people are denied it. Compared to Feudalism in which wealth or capital remains in the hands of a fortunate few, capitalism and market economy have certainly brought capital in the hands of many more. This has given a large number of people the economic freedom and flexibility needed to pursue meaning in their lives.

Third, notice that the only serious challenge to capitalism after the demise of feudalism/mercantile economy is Marxist economics. And it was a failure! Instead of Adam’s Smith’s “invisible hand” to drive the market and distribute capital, Marx envisioned that such a distribution can be done more effectively under a dictatorship of the proletariat in which the labor directly takes over the distribution and equalizes wealth. But Marxist economics so far has been installed only under the politics of communism (in which the dictatorship of the proletariat become more like a dictatorship of a bureaucracy) and it failed miserably. And the failure is primarily due to the fact that most people just cannot work hard when it is not for the benefit of their own private property and private wealth.

Unfortunately, it does not take a genius to see that capitalist economics as is practiced today is also at a crisis point. First, present day capitalism is based on continuous growth and expansion that require unlimited resources; this cannot be sustained on a finite planet. The finitude of resources may already have caught up with us. The finitude of the environment is an additional constraint on unlimited growth.

Second, free market does not seem to be free any more. Why? And what is the remedy?

Third, capitalism and its continuing economic expansion produces higher and higher standards of living and wages do not keep up with it without producing inflation. To meet the demands of higher standard and its higher cost, people are forced to give up their higher needs such as the need of children to have a non-working mother or leisure time to pursue meaning. Thus invariably some of the basic promise of capitalism are shortchanged by the nature of the beast itself.

Fourth and most importantly, no thanks to the development of multinational corporations, the management-labor equilibrium that feeds the equalization of the movement of meaning between the classes are stalled. What is the remedy for this?

Actually, capitalism is better than Marxism because it recognizes one basic need for people: the survival and security of their physical body. This basic ego need requires private property and any economics that ignores this basic need of people is bound to fail.

But as the psychologist Abraham Maslow pointed out, beside this basic need, we have an entire hierarchy of needs. One major defect of the capitalist economics is the ignoring of the people’s higher needs. Following Maslow, but modifying his theory according to the insights of my general approach to spirituality, science within consciousness, we can easily see what these higher needs are.

Our Redefined Higher needs and the Rudiments of a Spiritual economics
The basic elements of the developing science within the primacy of consciousness are as follows:
• Consciousness is the ground of all being.
• The possibilities of consciousness are four-fold: material (which we sense); vital energy (which we feel, primarily through the chakras and secondarily through the brain); mental meaning (which we think)); and supramental discriminating contexts such as physical laws, contexts of meaning and feeling such as ethics and love and aesthetics (which we intuit). The material is called gross and the others make up the subtle domain of our experience.
• When consciousness chooses from the possibilities the actual event of its experience (with physical, vital, mental, and supramental components), the physical has the opportunity of making representations of the subtle. The physical is like computer hardware; the subtle is represented as software.
• Our capacity for making physical representation of the subtle evolves. First, the capacity for making representations of the vital evolved through the evolution of life via more and more sophisticated organs to represent the living functions such as maintenance and reproduction. Next the capacity of making more and more sophisticated representations of the mental evolved. This is the stage of evolution we are in right now.
• Our capacity to represent the supramental has not evolved yet. However, there is evolutionary pressure on us in this direction the primary reason some of us are attracted to spiritulity.
In this way, there must not only be urge to satisfy
physical needs but also needs in all the other dimensions of our experience. In addition to the satisfaction of physical needs, a spiritual economics must address:
• Satisfaction of emotional needs, positive emotions such as love, compassion, and satisfaction itself, both conditioned and unconditioned.
• Pursuit of meaning, including the pursuit of new mental meaning which requires creativity.
• Pursuit of spiritual and supramental (soul) needs such as altruism, love, and happiness.
And in truth, this ladder of needs is not entirely hierarchical. If one satisfies higher needs, the urge to satisfy lower needs actually decreases. The opposite is also true. If a lower need is satisfied, the demand for satisfying a higher need increases. In this way, strategy for a more suited idealist economics than capitalism is to address all the needs simultaneously.
Whereas capitalism is an economics of physical well-being based on the satisfaction of our conditioned physical ego-needs, idealist or spiritual economics must be an economics of holistic well-being based on the satisfaction of both our (physical) ego needs and higher needs (pertaining to the exploration of the vital, mental, soul and spirit).

Micro Economics of the Subtle
Economics is about production-consumption, demand-supply, prices and all that. How does that kind of stuff work for our subtle needs? Let’s talk about these micro details.
Production of positive vital energy can be accomplished in many ways: forestation–plants and trees have abundant vital energy; cultivating positive health (for a definition, see my book The Quantum Doctor) in society–people of positive health radiate vital energy; and so forth. But the best way to ensure production of vital energy is to encourage the work places for ordinary people to have facilities so that their employees can practice positive health, practices such as yoga, Tai chi, and meditation.
As for production of mental meaning, we already have some of the ways in place in the contexts of the arts and entertainment industry. Both of these industries have the capacity of producing positive vital energy (positive emotions) as well. However, much of the arts and entertainment industry has bogged down into the negativity of a materialist culture. But we can shift the emphasis from negativity to meaningfulness and positivity.

The production of supramental and spiritual energy requires more effort right now. In the olden days, spiritual organization likes churches, temples, synagogues, mosques, and the like cultivated and produced supramental and spiritual intelligence in their leaders and practitioners. Now a days, these organizations are more interested in influencing mundane politics than investing in the supramental. But make no mistake about it; it can be done although we may have to develop new spiritual organizations to do it. In the olden days, perhaps the most effective means of production (and dissemination) of supramental energy were travelling monks (called sadhus in India; in the West troubadours are example). This we can revive; to some extent the many new age conferences on spirituality are already serving this purpose. Also effective are group meditations through which, as some of parapsychologist Dean Radin’s experiments show, people can experience nonlocal consciousness and hence can take creative leaps to the supramental domain. This can be done even in workplaces.

Now to the question of consumption. Because the vital and mental are mappable in us, they can be consumed both by local and nonlocal means. For example, if we see good theater, it cultivates the processing of meaning in us, even new meaning. When we partake in good meaningful entertainment, we also feel positive emotions; we are consuming them. As we consume, we ourselves have the potential to become producers.
Supramental energy consumption is nonlocal, but it requires local triggers. There are scientists who subscribe to the so-called Maharishi effect according to which the spiritual and supramental energy generated by a group meditation is consumed automatically in the local vicinity. Data is cited with claims of crime reduction in big cities where TM groups perform such meditation. However, this is controversial and I am not advocating it. A purely quantum mechanical consumption of your spiritual energy requires that I be correlated with you by some means or other. For example, experiments by Mexican neurophysiologist Jacobo Grinberg suggest that if two people intend together, they become so correlated, but it should be simpler than that. There are many anecdotes of how people feel peace in the presence of a sage (I myself have experienced this). So just being locally present may trigger consumption.

The best part of the story of subtle energy products is that it is mostly free. The subtle dimensions have no limits; we can consume a sage’s love all we wish, the supply is not going to diminish. There is no zero-sum game in the subtle. There may be a bit of material cost of production. So one may put a material price tag on subtle products to offset this and that may not be such a bad idea because it enables people to be more serious about their intentions when they consume subtle products. Here is also an opportunity for the government to subsidize the subtle industry.

In the next article of this series, I will take up the subject of how spiritual economics saves capitalism.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Sadly, this guy has communism understood as an economic system, which it isn't. It's a political system. Socialism is the economic system which people often conflate with communism. Communism is about living in communes, and people adopting whatever roles they are best suited to, based on their abilities, and the needs of the commune. Socialism is about redistribution of wealth such that all people basically have access to the same monetary resources, whatever job description they answer to.
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
what is left out

What is totally left out of the article is the nature of the money system, i.e., what is monetized. When the US was founded, their was a dual metal standard, both silver and gold. Silver was demonetized in the 1870's. Yes, there was silver coinage in circulation after that, BUT ... it was considered of value only because of redeemability in gold.

Gold coinage went bye-bye in 1933 and was forbidden to the people until the last gasp of redemption in gold for international trade was ended in 1971. Ever since there has been nothing in circulation as money besides debt.

Inflation has been with us ever since abandoning precious metal as money. The system of monetized debt, courtesy of Congress and a private, run for profit corporation known as the Federal Reserve, is also the real reason behind the income tax. Making everyone liable for income tax was the reason for pushing Social Security back in the 1930's. Social Security is socialism, plain and simple. While participation is 100% voluntary on paper, it is enforced 100% by the policies of corporate Amerika. Furthermore, similar systems are in place all over the world. There isn't really all that much in the name of free enterprise anymore, the current system is a hybridization of socialism and corporatism. The "living on a commune" part comes in with the prison system for all manner of victimless crime.

Pete
 

GreyWolf

Gold Meritorious Patron
I actually approve of some of his thoughts, however I do not believe that they will catch on anytime soon. For one thing, the general populace are to busy trying to earn a living to set down and read a lengthy tome about spiritual economics. Even the title would put most people to sleep.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Well, it's all well and good to discuss this stuff, but the title rubs me the wrong way: "The New Worldview" (thread title). Whose new worldview? Why does there have to be just one? Smacks of pop culture.

The new boyfriend.

The new hot band.

Etc.
 

AngeloV

Gold Meritorious Patron
I actually approve of some of his thoughts, however I do not believe that they will catch on anytime soon. For one thing, the general populace are to busy trying to earn a living to set down and read a lengthy tome about spiritual economics. Even the title would put most people to sleep.

^^ Exactly. ^^^
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
horseshit

So are the coastguard, the police, the fire department and the military. But no-one ever complains about those.

Horseshit. They predate socialistic insecurity. The coastguard is a legit function of the federal govt. as per what was delegated to the federal govt. by the states. Local services are funded by legitimate local excise taxes or at least were before localities started to accept federal subsidies, derived by ripping off citizens and then doling back to them a portion of the funds confiscated. Furthermore, federal funding where it doesn't belong is like a tampon ... it comes with a string attached, and, is designed from the start to become a bloody mess and flushed down the toilet.

Pete
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
legitimate functions ...

Center for Disease Control, National Highways, National Parks, Federal Courts, Border Patrol, .... :)


Mark A. Baker

All of the legitimate functions of the federal govt. were funded and funded well in the days before the Federal Reserve System, before the income tax, and before Socialistic Insecurity, which, of course, is what created the nexus such that the income tax could be levied against most individuals.

Back in the 1880's, there was a huge crisis in government ... what to do with the budget surplus! All of that was created by legitimate excises, imposts, and import duties.

Pete
 
All of the legitimate functions of the federal govt. were funded and funded well in the days before the Federal Reserve System, before the income tax, and before Socialistic Insecurity, which, of course, is what created the nexus such that the income tax could be levied against most individuals.

Back in the 1880's, there was a huge crisis in government ... what to do with the budget surplus! All of that was created by legitimate excises, imposts, and import duties.

Pete

There are legitamate functions of government that are necessary now but not necessary back then. The Air Force, NASA, Center for disease control, the FBI, Interstate Highways, National Weather Service, Air Traffic controllers, and other things that are needed for a population of 340 million instead of the 80 million or less back then.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
what is NOT needed ...

There are legitamate functions of government that are necessary now but not necessary back then. The Air Force, NASA, Center for disease control, the FBI, Interstate Highways, National Weather Service, Air Traffic controllers, and other things that are needed for a population of 340 million instead of the 80 million or less back then.

The Anabaptist Jacques

By all rights, the Air force should have stayed under the Dept. of the Army, in the same manner that the Marine Corps falls under the Dept. of the Navy. The FBI can disappear, we need them like teats on a bull. As far as the other functions you mentioned, they can all still be done WITHOUT the current system of things. What CAN NOT be done under a Constitutionally limited, republican form of government (not to be confused with the Republican party, which goes along with all of the socialistic crapola inspite of its name) is a massive welfare state, a corporate welfare state where big corporations get welfare in the form of govt. contracts, the endless warfare state, and interest on the national debt, courtesy of a system of monetized debt as opposed to a system of substance for substance, i.e., gold and silver coinage and/or the standard gold bars of international commerce.

Pete
 
By all rights, the Air force should have stayed under the Dept. of the Army, in the same manner that the Marine Corps falls under the Dept. of the Navy. The FBI can disappear, we need them like teats on a bull. As far as the other functions you mentioned, they can all still be done WITHOUT the current system of things. What CAN NOT be done under a Constitutionally limited, republican form of government (not to be confused with the Republican party, which goes along with all of the socialistic crapola inspite of its name) is a massive welfare state, a corporate welfare state where big corporations get welfare in the form of govt. contracts, the endless warfare state, and interest on the national debt, courtesy of a system of monetized debt as opposed to a system of substance for substance, i.e., gold and silver coinage and/or the standard gold bars of international commerce.

Pete

Yeah, if you complete ignore American history.
Corporate welfare started after the Civil War with land grants to railroads. As unfair as it was, it did improve the infrastructure.

When the government only issued gold coins as the medium of exchange we had the wrost depression in this country (worse than the Great Depression of the 1930) starting in 1873 and lasting in some places for almost 25 years.

Banks would issue their own currency and most would be bankrupt in one to two years, leaving all of their depositors with nothing. It prevented a middle class.

Because of the gold coinage and no elastic national secure currency, the more farmers produced, the less they earned. This was the major reason for the shift from an agricultural rural society to an urban one. That is why the Farmer's Alliance became a plitical force.

The FBI was given police authority (they were once only investigators) because criminals would cross state lines and to escape the police.

Your narrow opinion of the value of what the government does makes your passion for small government fine for you.

But I don't want bank robbers to get away, I don't want planes to crash, I do want an infrastructure.

Your economic system worked in agrarian fuedal or aristocratic societies. It worked well in the south before the Civil War when there were slaves.

Just like the Austrian economist like Boehm-Bawerk, who advocated and defended the gold standard for their emperor.

The gold standard always was a control mechanism.

You really do need to learn American history.

The good old days in the later part of the 1800s had troops shooting down citizens in the streets of some of our major cities.

These were railroad workers, among others, who had their pay cut in the middle of the depression.

On the major strikes, Federal Troops were called out and fired on the strikers, with the strike leders being jailed and executed.

It was because of the mass demonstrations from 1873 onward, that the National Guard was formed, its purpose was to put down strikes by force. (It went under the name of national guard at first, the name became offical years.)

So much for gold coinage and the good old days.

The system you are talking about does not and can not work in an industrial society. This country and others learn that lesson the hard way.

You may as well want the country to go back to using quilt pens instead of computers.

And by the way, it doesn't matter where the Air Force is administratively, it is the cost that we are talking about.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
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GoNuclear

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bi metal vs gold

1873 was the year that silver was demonetized, it was still in circulation but its value was its redeemability in gold. That people were being screwed by the money system was a product of ending the free coinage of silver, which led to the issuance of bank notes that were not standardized, which was one of the excuses for bringing in the Federal Reserve System, which is largest "why" on the bankruptcy of the United States, the proliferation of socialist slavestate numbers, and the income tax.

The US was never perfect, there were people getting the short end of things from the start ... and we are talking about white people, never mind the natives, slaves, chinese, etc. Nevertheless, I believe that the overall concept ... that the ultimate sovereignty rests with the people, that the county govts. should be their servant, that the state govts. are servants to their counties, that the federal govt. is servant to the states, that authority/power is as a result of delgation from the people ... this is the right concept. There was mischief in govt. and usurpation of power not delegated going back to day 1, I'm sure, but usurpation started in earnest during the Lincoln administration largely as a result of the war. 1913 was a watershed year with the 16th ammendment (income tax) 17th ammendment (direct election of senators, effectively disenfranchising state legislatures from their representation in Congress) and the Federal Reserve Act. The usurpation accelerated further in the FDR days with Socialistic Insecurity, the Public Salary Tax Act of 1939, the Buck Act, and the Victory Tax Act of 1942. There was further usurpation of power during the Johnson years with his so-called "Great Society". We seem to be in a final phase of things with respect to the move towards a total police state since 9-11, which I believe was the American Reichstag fire. As far as where we are headed in the next few years, AJ, I doubt that even you would like.

At that point, you may attempt to impress the oinkster thug who is rousting you at a check point with your great and sophisticated apologetics for how great the police state is, in the hopes that you won't get tazered or hit with a rifle butt.


Pete
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
There is the danger of a police state when the country has centralized controls, especially when those controls are usually only given free reign under "war powers", and when the country is kept constantly at undeclared war. However, even with that danger, I'd prefer to live in our technologically advanced country with the liberties that I do have than in the African bush free as a bird.
 
1873 was the year that silver was demonetized, it was still in circulation but its value was its redeemability in gold. That people were being screwed by the money system was a product of ending the free coinage of silver, which led to the issuance of bank notes that were not standardized, which was one of the excuses for bringing in the Federal Reserve System, which is largest "why" on the bankruptcy of the United States, the proliferation of socialist slavestate numbers, and the income tax.

The US was never perfect, there were people getting the short end of things from the start ... and we are talking about white people, never mind the natives, slaves, chinese, etc. Nevertheless, I believe that the overall concept ... that the ultimate sovereignty rests with the people, that the county govts. should be their servant, that the state govts. are servants to their counties, that the federal govt. is servant to the states, that authority/power is as a result of delgation from the people ... this is the right concept. There was mischief in govt. and usurpation of power not delegated going back to day 1, I'm sure, but usurpation started in earnest during the Lincoln administration largely as a result of the war. 1913 was a watershed year with the 16th ammendment (income tax) 17th ammendment (direct election of senators, effectively disenfranchising state legislatures from their representation in Congress) and the Federal Reserve Act. The usurpation accelerated further in the FDR days with Socialistic Insecurity, the Public Salary Tax Act of 1939, the Buck Act, and the Victory Tax Act of 1942. There was further usurpation of power during the Johnson years with his so-called "Great Society". We seem to be in a final phase of things with respect to the move towards a total police state since 9-11, which I believe was the American Reichstag fire. As far as where we are headed in the next few years, AJ, I doubt that even you would like.

At that point, you may attempt to impress the oinkster thug who is rousting you at a check point with your great and sophisticated apologetics for how great the police state is, in the hopes that you won't get tazered or hit with a rifle butt.


Pete
Don't tazer me New World Order Bro.

This country has heavy duty problems for sure. and it always did, many of them worse than now. (By the way, I agree with you that popular election of senators jeopardizes the federal state relationship, mainly because now the senators and congressman have the same constituency--in theory anyway.)

Yes the nature of our government is changing. Our institutions are inept and out of date. but the answer is not to pretend that we can go back to an agrarian society with a fixed amount of money that can only serve a franction of the population.

And you are fogetting that what you want is not what the majority wants. If you really believe iin a republic than you must see that it doesn't mean that things should be the way you think they should be.

I remember once when Phil donahue asked William F. buckley that if he was so against abortion, why doesn't he rebell? Buckley replied that he is more of a believer in a republic even if he doesn't get his own way.

And don't say that becasue of all the corruption that that we don't have a republic anymore.

America has always been corrupt. The reality is that in the long run sometimes the corruption improves things but most of the time it doesn't.

Pinning for an imaginary past from a completely differrent situation and a fraction of the population is not what we need to solve our problems.

The structure and institutions you are advocating caused so many problems when they existed in the past they became destructive and then obsolete.

We are in another period of time when the institutions have become a hinderence.

And what happens then is a trial and error evolution of new ways and new institutions.

It isn't comfortable, but that is what history is all about.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
The crux of the matter

Don't tazer me New World Order Bro.


And don't say that becasue of all the corruption that that we don't have a republic anymore.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Triune Republican govt. pretty much, for the most part, exists only on paper these days.

First of all ... the federal US was not/is not/never will be a republican govt. because the Constitution says it is not. The Constitution has the federal US ... that is, Washington DC, forts, ships, dockyards, arsnals, and territories under the EXCLUSIVE LEGISLATIVE JURISDICTION OF CONGRESS, as per Article 1, Section 8, clause 17. An exclusive legislative jurisdiction is a representative democracy. Furthermore this is pretty much an unlimited democracy in that there were no limitations via the Constitution as to how the federal govt. would deal with its own internally. It wasn't until 1968 that the nine learned orangutans with toy hammers said that the Bill of Rights apply to US citizens (citizens of the federal US via the 14th ammendment) as limited privileges and immunities.

Second ... the federal US formed itself into a corporate entity after the Civil War, 1871 I believe ... and the various states formed themselves into corporate entities that became subsidiaries of the federal US. The states moved in this direction as a result of the 14th ammendment to accomodate the statutory "person", i.e., US citizen deriving citizenship via the 14th ammendment. In doing so, they moved away from triune republican govt., they moved away from common law, and towards democracy and corporatism which we have today.

Now what is my complaint with govt.? What do I want?
1) Repeal of the 17th ammendment
2) One time opt out for anyone wishing to not be associated with socialistic insecurity in any way shape or form, i.e., official denumeration
3) A law requiring judges to fully inform juries as to all their rights and powers
4) A law requiring judges/prosectutors to fully inform grand juries of all of their rights and powers
5) A law setting up special super grand juries that judges would be answerable to. It would provide control over judicial abuse, a means of redress ... judges would have to explain rulings that on face value fell outside of Constitional bounds
6) A law that would require anyone anytime anywhere for any reason asking for an SSN to provide full disclosure as to all terms, conditions, rights waived, benefits guaranteed (there are none) and all disabilities and liabilities incurred, including tax liabilities, and powers of attorney granted, and all consequences of honoring a the request or dishonoring the request, weather the request was voluntary, required by law, or corporate policy. Said disclosure would have to be both written and oral and in plain language, to be signed off/initialled off, point by point by the requestee.
7) Similar full disclosure laws for all of the other horseshit agreements that govt. wants us to enter into with them such as birth certificates, driver's licenses, marriage licenses, and even down to the level of library cards.

There is a saying about vampires, that you are powerless over them once you invite them into your home. You can hold up crosses, sprinkle holy water, and swing garlic wreaths around, won't matter. The vampire will laugh as he sucks your blood. Keep him outside your home, and one whiff of garlic breath he is gone. I think the fair thing to do would be to require the vampire to disclose what he is and what he can do before anyone lets him in. Granted, he might not get many invites, but, at least at that point we are playing fair.

Pete
 
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