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ias, c of s, trademarks for drugs

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by aaron saxton, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. aaron saxton

    aaron saxton Patron with Honors

    The below information is in relation to trademarks owned by the Church of Scientology. In addition to this I believe DM also owns trademarks for security devices.

    A full search needs to be conducted of the worldwide patent office. This needs to be done (and would not be cheap) to establish what trademarks C of S and their related entities and their dircetors have owned and sold in the past.

    Questions raised are as follows:

    1. How did C of S get the trademarks?
    2. Did they receive royalties or fees for the use of the trademarks - thus earning a living from drugs being sold?
    3. Did they offload the trademarks at a profit?
    4. The current owners of the trademarks need to be asked if they purchased the trademarks, and if so, knowing C of S, they would have charged an arm and a leg, thus making profit from drugs.
    5. If the Drugs were owned by the Church, they could therefore deny they took the drugs as taking psych drugs as they were owned by a Church. Little Pink and Greys.

    Perhaps the reason why C of S will not open it's books on ALL their related entities is because they are making money in ways which would go against their anti-drug stance. who knows what trademarks IAS also owns or purchases they have sponsored?

    Speculation should be raised.

    However and International search of:
    A. All known persons involved in Scientology going back to 1959 would need to be conducted. Executives. known top people.
    B. Then a directorship search of them.
    C. Then a search on those companies and the trademarks they traded in since 1959.

    This is a huge job.

    The consequence to Scientology being found in posession of trademarks that produced an income from drugs.... it is a nail in their coffin, possibly the largest ever.

    Here is some data. Please report to as many media outlets as possible for full investigation:
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    Lists of Trademarks associated with Church of Scientology, Adelaide, Australia.


    Note: These searches were done within the parameters of “Sandoz” and “Novartis” using ten year date ranges.


    The keyword “scientology” did NOT bring up these trade marks (except for three which brought the matter to my attention – Litec, Serentil and Brinaldix).


    The CofS is listed as a historical proprietor in each.


    Please see attached spread-sheet for more detailed info: “CofS Trade Marks”.


    Source: Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand (IPONZ)

    www.iponx.govt.nz



    A-Z:

    Trade Mark No.

    Atamir: 02 Nov 1971. 98718
    Batrevac: 02 Nov 1971. 98711
    Beregat: 04 Oct 1971. 98374
    Blowex: 30 Jan 1979. 126729
    Brinaldix: 11 July 1962. 71284
    Caterpillar Symbol: 08 Oct 1976. 117201
    Gillazym: 02 Nov 1971. 98721
    Gyretun: 17 April 1974. 107935
    Litec: 17 Sep 1970. 94891
    Miacalcic: 08 Oct 1976. 117202
    Noveril: 06 April 1978. 123101
    Por 8 Sandoz: 02 Nov 1971. 98715
    Rhinergal: 02 Nov 1971. 98720
    Safrotin: 30 Jan 1979. 126730
    Sandoflor: 10 June 1974. 108551
    Sandoz (1): 25 Nov 1963. 74704
    Sandoz(2): 25 Nov 1963. 74705
    Sandoz (3): 25 Nov 1963. 74706
    Sandoz Symbol: 13 July 1970. 94257
    Sandoz-Vac: 29 June 1979. 128620
    Sandomigran: 13 Nov 1969. 92020
    Sangesic: 16 Oct 1968. 88348
    Sanorex: 02 Nov 1971. 98726
    Serentil: 09 Aug 1968. 87645
    Sibumir: 04 Oct 1971. 98382
    Sirdalud: 09 March 1981. 136289
    Sylvirex: 18 Oct 1971. 98537
    Teronac: 08 Aug 1973. 105293
    Thuricide: 28 May 1959. 63965
    Tilges: 04 Oct 1971. 98384
    Tiotilin: 06 Dec 1977. 121924
    Viskaldix: 09 Nov 1976. 117505
    Visken: 26 March 1969. 89792
    Zaditen: 10 July 1969. 90767


    CHRONOLOGICAL:


    Trade Mark No.

    Thuricide: 28 May 1959. 63965
    Brinaldix: 11 July 1962. 71284
    Sandoz (1): 25 Nov 1963. 74704
    Sandoz (2): 25 Nov 1963. 74705
    Sandoz (3): 25 Nov 1963. 74706
    Serentil: 09 Aug 1968. 87645
    Sangesic: 16 Oct 1968. 88348
    Visken: 26 March 1969. 89792
    Zaditen: 10 July 1969. 90767
    Sandomigran: 13 Nov 1969. 92020
    Litec: 17 Sep 1970. 94891
    Beregat: 04 Oct 1971. 98374
    Sibumir: 04 Oct 1971. 98382
    Tilges: 04 Oct 1971. 98384
    Sylvirex: 18 Oct 1971. 98537
    Por 8 Sandoz: 02 Nov 1971. 98715
    Atamir: 02 Nov 1971. 98718
    Batrevac: 02 Nov 1971. 98711
    Gillazym: 02 Nov 1971. 98721
    Rhinergal: 02 Nov 1971. 98720
    Sanorex: 02 Nov 1971. 98726
    Sandoz Symbol: 13 July 1970. 94257
    Teronac: 08 Aug 1973. 105293
    Gyretun: 17 April 1974. 107935
    Sandoflor: 10 June 1974. 108551
    Viskaldix: 09 Nov 1976. 117505
    Caterpillar Symbol: 08 Oct 1976. 117201
    Miacalcic: 08 Oct 1976. 117202
    Tiotilin: 06 Dec 1977. 121924
    Noveril: 06 April 1978. 123101
    Blowex: 30 Jan 1979. 126729
    Safrotin: 30 Jan 1979. 126730
    Sandoz-Vac: 29 June 1979. 128620
    Sirdalud: 09 March 1981. 136289
     
  2. mate

    mate Patron Meritorious

    Hi Aaron.

    This is certainly a major revelation. Well done on collecting the information.

    BTW, the link you have given, is incorrect. It should be

    www.iponz.govt.nz

    I suggest you change it on your original posting.

    Regards, David.
     
  3. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I tried verifying some of this on the IPONZ site and got nowhere. I couldn't get the search engine to accept a query. If anyone can actually achieve success at this, even with one item, please post details of how you did it. And please don't say simply, "Follow the instructions there." :)

    Paul
     
  4. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    If THAT could be proven, with the news spread FAR and WIDE, what a wonderful hard slap to their collective Scientology faces! :omg:
     
  5. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    I can help you here:

    1. Trademarks tab.
    2. Search.
    2. Use trade mark # (figure on right of each drug name)
    or alternatively you will get a "hit" using the drug name.

    let me know how that goes. :)

    http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms
     
  6. Gottabrain

    Gottabrain Guest

    Very, very interesting. I'm going to research this much more deeply.

    A Trademark is the symbol, BTW. A Patent is on the actual product.
     
  7. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    A TM gives a "commercial advantage". It allows a stronger legal position on a product. Exclusive use or only registered permission use.

    Stuff like that.
     
  8. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Oh. I was doing all the above, but didn't see the search button right at the top. Duh. OK, that works now. I didn't check more than a couple on the list, but they checked out OK. At least, they checked out when entering the trademark name, but not when entering the name "scientology".

    It's very strange. Needs further investigation. At a guess, I would say it is a clerical error on IPONZ's part, but who knows?

    Paul
     
  9. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    yes this was the trick as the word "scientology" does not come up with a normal search as possibly the "historical proprietors" data in not linked in, if you get my drift. I suspect it is just the way their pgm is set up. Need to ask my database expert next time I talk to him.

    The searches had to be "manually" done. Using creative parameters and several buckets of coffee!
     
  10. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    I always thought the drug companies pulled the names for these things off of the whole track, just to add the "restim" factor in to the mix...



    Could this be "the smoking gun"?

    Weird...........
     
  11. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    Hey matey from across the ditch,

    I know that when ya stumbled across all this, that you then spent hours and hours on it, in order to present it in a way that we here can understand, with the purpose of more answers and some more exposure of the CofS. Good on you for this, and for all your good works.

    At the very least, it looks like you've found something here.....Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

    Cheers,
    Carmel
     
  12. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I Can Haz scientology Psych drugs noa ?
     
  13. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    I think you'll find that it was a misguided IAS-sponsored project to snap up the Trademarked names of certain drugs in order to prevent the Drug companies continuing to use them, sort of cornering the market on Brand Names.
    The bright sparks behind it hadn't considered the fact that Brand Names are a dime-a-dozen.
    They've done the same thing with website names.
     
  14. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    I have considered that. Possible.

    The product range is everything from blood pressure medicine, to veterinary products, to eye drops, to weed/vermin killers.

    There is no pattern. That I can see. Yet.

    We can at this time only “see” what there is to see.

    On public record, it is a fact that the CofS Adelaide held proprietorship for 34 various pharmaceutical drugs/products/symbols. The date ranges for how long that proprietorship lasted varies. As does what happened to the trademark ownership – some are still current with a new owner, others have expired.

    Most of the trademarks are not for psychiatric related drugs.

    What was the program being run? By whom? It continued for about 20 years – what’s that about? We may never know.

    There will be public records around the world which will fit in with this info. That much I am willing to speculate. I would be very grateful if people with far more skill than I would pick up this data and run with it. If there is an intellectual property lawyer in the house...

    The program seems to only involve Sandoz (later known as Novartis) – Sandoz manufactured/marketed LSD (brand name: delysid). To date all the TMs found are related to Sandoz.

    I have endless theories. You can bend this data in many ways.

    For now, I am not speculating on what has been going on. I am just going to keep asking questions.

    Experts need to look at this info.

    So what else is under the rock?

    Let’s see.
     
  15. mate

    mate Patron Meritorious

    Hi Panda,
    Unfortunately the IAS didn't exist during this period of the '60s, in fact the trademarks started before COSCERI. And it should be noted that the owners of the trademarks was the CofS Adelaide. The IAS was a Miscavige idea and he was only one year old, when the first of the trademarks was registered. Also I can't see a major US pharmaceutical corporation using and paying royalties on a product name registered in Adelaide, when they could invent their own. Remember, it is name not the patent, which is registered. We have barely started to "pull the string" to get our "Sherman tank"

    I might add that who were involved at start of this activity, would now be their '70s and '80s, if in fact, they were still alive.

    Regards, David.

     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2010
  16. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    The title of the thread would preferably not have "IAS" in it.

    The IAS wasn't formed until 1984.

    The TMs are from between 1959 and 1981.
     
  17. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yes, of course. HASI/IAS = CofS = Hubbardites of the World Unite! (in the manner dictated by CofS Management, of course.)

    The International Association of Scientologists is certainly a misnomer seeing as association (except as directed) is strictly forbidden

    I was just referring to the more generic nature of it all; I seem to recall something along the lines of a project to snap up certain Brand names whenever possible, possibly an old GO project or something.

    PS: Maybe they were just "copyrighting" LRH's prescription pad? :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2010
  18. the-ghostwhowalks

    the-ghostwhowalks Patron with Honors

    This revelation is potentially incredible...

    If people can come foward and reveal what else the Cof S or Miscavige has the patents , copyrights to , this could be a piece of information that could accelerate the demise of the C of S...
    We already know that DM blew 40 million on a failed oil well - not to mention buildings , armoured vehicles etc - What else has he purchased that would expose activities that a "church " is not supposed to do ? :confused2:
     
  19. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    :thumbsup:
     
  20. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Nice find. I'll be looking into this.