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What happened to OCMB?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Emma, Aug 17, 2019.

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  1. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    I mentioned in a thread the other day that OCMB was a treasure of "gold" when looking back at attitudes & conduct of people. I found a post that J Swift had made in 2005 disparaging Thomas Kinkade and I posted it. I thought it was funny.

    Today I went to continue my browsing and have found that OCMB has been disappeared. GONE. No longer archived. No longer searchable.

    Is this a coincidence? I find it hard to believe that seeing that OCMB have been archived (yet searchable) for a few years, but just days after I announce that I'm snooping around, POOF it's gone.

    Was it that someone didn't want people to find out what what secrets OCMB might reveal?

    Not to worry. I did manage to capture a few screenshots although not as many as I'd liked. I foolishly thought that OCMB would be around for a long time and I could peruse at my leisure.

    I'll post what I found in this thread along with as many screenshots as I can.

    If anyone can give me an explanation as to why OCMB has been "disappeared" that would be great.
     
  2. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    It's been blocked to people "down under." :biggrin:

    Seriously, try this link: http://www.xenu.net/

    I originally got an error on my usual bookmark too. Temporary mis-configured server error? :shrug:
     
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  3. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    It may just be corrupted. Is Andreas still managing it?
     
  4. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I think she's talking about the message board. The websites still there, thankfully.
     
  5. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Xenu.net is still there. The messageboard part of it "OCMB" is not.
     
  6. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

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  7. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's been appearing and disappearing for me for a few years now. It also requires frequent password changes and says my current pw isn't valid when I tried to change it. I gave up on the OCMB message board a year or so ago along with most of the posters there.
     
  8. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    The message board is still there (or at least over 6oo lines of computer code are still there anyway) it's just that it needs some attention from someone who knows php. (Definitely NOT me!) ;) <- There is is again.
     
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  9. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Before anyone accuses me if having an agenda, let me just say this - yes you are right. I do have an agenda. J Swift has been a giant pain in my ass since 2005. That's a long time to hold a grudge, but you know...women. I have long believed this guy to be a giant fake and I was finding very interesting evidence of that. Now it's gone. Most of it anyway.

    It starts in 28th April 2005. A new poster called Kent Questions Everything appeared on OCMB. It is impossible to screenshot these early posts because they have all been deleted by J Swift on 7th November 2005. Why? The only reason us wannabe historians can know something of these earliest posts is because others have pointed it out and Swift has given his own explanations.

    He began with a thread titled "I'm coming out as an ex-Scientologist". The screenshot below shows only the 3rd page of this thread because that's what I had gotten up to reading before OCMB went dark. Fortunately I have this terrible habit of having 100 browser tabs open at any one time and never closing them.

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    You can see he says he doesn't know how to communicate with Scientologists or ex Scientologists or in fact be a Scientologist or ex Scientologist. So what does this mean? How can this be when the entire purpose of his thread was to come out as an Ex Scientologist. The deleted posts might have told us something more, but alas they are gone, but all is not lost.

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    Ooohh. An Intelligence background. That's interesting.
     
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  10. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Anyone who was on OCMB around 2005 - 2006 will remember Suzanne Marie. She was a Scientologist posting on OCMB. I don't know if her job was to "undress" critics, but she did a great job of it. Not by ridicule, but by simply calling out the BS.

    There was an epic thread started by Suzanne Marie called "What is Swifty's Game". It outlines all the contradictory stories J Swift was telling. She pointed out a bunch of inconsistencies with his story. Unfortunately I can't post a link to the thread but I took some screenshots of the early posts.

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    Here are some snippets of what Suzanne Marie and others had to say about J Swift and his ever changing story.

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    I wish I had captured a few of Olska's posts. They were pointed out the lies and inconsistencies really well.

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    Notice the awkward attempt to use Scn lingo in the post above. LOL
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    It was clear that a few people weren't buying what he was selling.
     
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  11. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    He may be a "giant fake" but he knows (not) what caused the big bang:

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    "The account of Divine Creation as told in the Bible is an unconvincing old story, a relic from the religious past. Likewise, the modern atheistic claim that the Big Bang just spontaneously happened is equally unconvincing. What we offer in this book is a Third Option, for we describe the event in Infinity that caused the Big Bang. The event that caused the Big Bang is called the Disunification. This book presents Disunification Cosmology. This is the study of the event that caused the Big Bang and its implications for human Consciousness. We introduce several new terms and concepts throughout this work. A glossary is provided in the back of the book containing the definitions of our new terms and concepts. Two examples of terms we in introduce are "Disunification" and "Primal Matter." We use these two terms in a sentence to give you a sense of their meaning: “The Disunification describes the actual event and force that ‘disunified’ the Primal Matter from Infinity and then evolved it into all of the forms, processes, and beings in our Universe.” The Primal Matter and its conversion into everyone and everything in our entire Universe are the key subjects of this book. We are very interested in the Primal Matter particularly as it pertains to Consciousness and your own Soul. This book contains many black-and-white illustrations. A full-color version of this book is also available on Amazon."

    About the Author

    "Raised a Christian, Jeffrey Augustine lost his faith at age 21 when he was in university studying to be a minister. After losing his faith he began to intensely study and practice Zen Buddhism. One day on a drive into the mountains, Augustine was hit with a bolt out of the blue. He had a staggering insight about the event that caused the Big Bang and its implications for human Consciousness. Augustine had what he describes as a "massive download from Infinity" wherein he saw everything, It took a long time to unfold this download and put it into book form. Along the way, Augustine became a Master Mason and a Knight Templar. A scientific lighting expert by profession, Augustine has worked on lasers, medical devices, UV-C water treatment, and even lighted the prototype of a space vehicle. The author lives in Los Angeles with his wife Karen de la Carriere, an extraordinary woman who was once a very high ranking member of the Church of Scientology. Karen is now an activist who speaks out against the abuses of the Church of Scientology. Jeffrey Augustine is a noted critic of the Church of Scientology who writes online under the pseudonym J. Swift. Augustine's unusually wide bandwidth in spirituality and technology has culminated in What Caused the Big Bang?"
     
  12. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    J Swift dominated OCMB from 2005 - 2011. Most of his 10203 posts are from this time. He didn't leave OCMB until the end, but had basically slowed to a trickle while he turned to blogging and whatever else.

    In early 2010 Swift shows that he is fiercely protective of old time critics like Gerry Armstrong & Arnie Lerma.

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    But then something changed....
     
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  13. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    Did Karen#1 buy him on her own accord or did Swift sell himself to her?
     
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  14. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Although still defending old time critics (see above), Swifty had come to soften to Indies.

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    I guess he met some Indies around 2010 and found them tolerable.
     
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  15. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    J Swift arrived on ESMB 29th October 2011. But now he seemed intent on hunting down any supporters of Gerry & Gerry himself.

    Some were amazed by the transformation.

    However Swift was undeterred.

    In his reply to Bunnyskull below, he not only gives his credentials (a photo op), but tries to dox Veda (who has many reasons to remain anonymous and Swift knew that). The post is below. I have redacted the doxing.

    It's an interesting thread that one. Go back and have a read.

    What happened in 2010?
     
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  16. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    So, we have a guy who introduced himself as a Scientologist, but then said he wasn't one because he can't understand Scientologists or Ex scientologists, but then says he was a Scientologist from 20 years ago, but in that time he was also a christian, a buddhist, a Master Mason, a Knight Templar.

    Also he says he has connections with Law enforcement/intelligence organisations, security clearances etc.

    How does one manage to do all this in one lifetime? I feel like I've made that observation before, recently. I'm not sure who it was but it will come to me.
     
  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    You're not the only one who has multi tab syndrome.
     
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  18. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Swift's "defence" on OCMB was that he was writing a book. That was the fall back excuse - a book about the evils of Scientology. That was the reason for the inconsistencies. Where is the book?

    His actual book "What Caused the Big Bang?: Consciousness and Enlightenment in the Internet Age and Beyond" was published in 2013. Where is the book on Scientology Jeffrey?

    How does a person go from Scientologist/Ex Scientologist, to a never in, to a Scientologist, to rabid critic, to an Indi/Tech supporter, to a rabic critic? Has it got something to do with which way the wind is blowing?

    So I echo Suzanne Marie's question, from 2006 - "What is Swifty's Game?"
     
  19. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    The answer is they worked for the government, and probably still do.
     
  20. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    Be prepared for some serious "Emma/Michelle" DA material to be floating around the interwebs. Fortunately I haven't lied about my OSA involvement, my time in Scientology, the fair gaming that I have been exposed to. It will come in the form of "Emma said this" , "Emma said that". If you want the truth of what I actually said, please ask. I will tell you the truth.
     
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