Smurf
Gold Meritorious SP
Office of Ursula Caberta, Tuesday, November 13, 2007
It was a typical fall day in Hamburg, Germany; cloudy skies, periods of sunshine and a cool 35 degrees F. Ursula Caberta was talking on the telephone with the Russian Ambassador in Berlin.
They were discussing the possibility that the Russian government might place the Church of Scientology under surveillance by the internal security police as had happened in Germany.
Eventually Russia, like Bulgaria and most of the other Eastern European nations, had also discovered, experienced and disapproved of the revenue relationships between the Church of Scientology, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises or W.I.S.E., and its various member businesses, as well as many of their business activities, human rights violations and the church’s subversive global totalitarian political agenda.
A mere thirty minutes later two senior officials from the United States General Consulate in Hamburg were shown into Ursula’s office. The United States Consul had telephoned her a few days earlier and had invited her to a meeting at the Consulate.
Ursula had refused saying she was too busy and would not set foot upon American soil again after being treated by the United States legal system the way she was in the Lisa McPherson case. “If you want to come to my office I’m able to fit you in for a few minutes on Tuesday the 13th.” Now the two American diplomats were seated before her. An older man and a younger woman.
The older of the two American diplomats asked, “What are you working on?” Ursula smiled. “You could have read that in my reports and the Consul-General could have asked me that on the telephone.” The two diplomats frowned in unison. The older one, now clearly the spokesperson, sheepishly responded. “We’re here because we do not want to see any problems between the United States and German governments over Scientology.” Ursula’s smile changed to laughter.
“We do not have a problem with Scientology because we treat it for what it is. You have a problem with Scientology.” The younger consular official joined in saying “In the United States we have a different view of Scientology than some of you in Germany.”
Ursula leapt on her. “In Germany we see Scientology as an extremist political group. The United States does not. Well, you are dealing with Islamic terrorists and we are dealing with Scientology terrorists. My opinion is that we have to ban Scientology and its infiltration tactics.”
The younger of two consular officials asked why? Ursula smiled again. “You need to read my book,” she said. The young U.S. Consulate officer beamed, “We bought five copies and sent them to the State Department in Washington.”
The senior Consulate official spread a little flattery. “The best book on Scientology ever published,” he said. “Is it an official book?” Ursula smiled again while thinking “these stupid Americans.” “No, it is my book, but my boss, the Minister presented it with me so I am certain that he is in agreement with my opinions.” “That is very fortunate for you,” said the senior U. S. Consulate official sarcastically.
Ursula bristled and tersely responded, “In Germany we have the freedom to both work for the government and to write books.” The senior Consulate official blushed. “You must inform the United States State Department that your book contains only your personal opinions on Scientology and not the official position.”
Ursula was tiring of the arrogance of these two American diplomats. “No,” she snapped. “I will advise my State Department in Berlin and you can talk to them. I told your Consul-General that I will never set foot on United States soil again. I’ll tell you why. [She recounted the story from above re her hotel subpoena and deposition in the Lisa McPherson trial and the Heller v. Caberta case].
I can give you lists of people who we have helped leave Scientology after years of being brutalized by terror and deprived of their human rights. In a free country, like Germany, I can look after them.” The two U.S. Consular officials were speechless. After a long silence the senior Consular official spoke again. “The United States State Department is very concerned about Scientology too and it does not want to have any new problems with Germany over the Scientology issue.
Can you please talk to someone in my State Department? Maybe we do not know what is really going on with Scientology.” Ursula looked incredulous as she said, “Don’t be stupid. You know what is going on with Scientology. I hope that one of their top leaders that have defected will call me and receive political asylum from Germany because he cannot get any help from the U.S. government.”
This time the senior U.S. Consular official looked triumphent and pounced. “So you are serious? That is what Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department, on Scientology.” It was Ursula’s time to smile. “What Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department?
I published one of them in my book. I think that is why you are really here. Thank you for helping me in Europe. Did you know that the person Tom Cruise refers to as LRH (L. Ron Hubbard) wrote that millions of people can be thrown into concentration camps and exterminated. Maybe you in America call Scientology a religion but the whole organization is against human rights whatever you want to call it in America.
As for not offering former American senior Scientology officials requiring asylum and immunity from prosecution in Germany, in exchange for their testimony, the United States had granted ________ , a German scientologist, political asylum and an immigration visa in the United States because of alleged German government surveillance and persecution of the Church of Scientology.”
She picked up a news clipping from a stack on her desk and handed it to the two diplomats. It was a report on the U.S. Government’s granting of political asylum to the German Scientologist. Ursula then went over to her book case, removed a white three ring-binder titled, “The Hard Sell Pack” and flicked through the pages in front of the two consular officials. “Does that look like religious literature to you?
It looks like aggressive commercial marketing and expoitation to me.” Ursula’s secretary buzzed on the intercom. Her next appointment, a former cult member, was now waiting. Ursula rose and started showing the two U.S. Consulate officers to the door. “Well, we just want to be sure that there are no problems over Scientology between the United States and Germany,” the senior U.S. Consular official repeated.
Ursula was feeling repetitive too. “In Germany we no longer have a problem with Scientology. But you in the United States do.”
Office of Ursula Caberta, Thursday, November 15, 2007
Ursula was in her office, meeting with her senior staff attorney, when she received a follow-up telephone call from the senior political/commercial official at the United State Consulate General’s office in Hamburg. The American diplomat got straight to the point.
They had been disturbed by what they had heard and seen when they had met in her office two days ago. They were especially concerned to know the reasons and evidence supporting her position that the Church of Scientology should not be considered a church but instead a totalitarian political organization engaged in criminal activity, unlawful medical practice, commercial activity and money laudering.
Ursula responded that the request was crazy. “You have all of the information in the United States. You know why the Church should not be tax-exempt.” The American Diplomat responded that they still needed a document listing her reasons and the evidence that she has for her views. “I am not allowed to tell you that.
Why do you need it? Who needs it?” said Ursula. The American diplomat hestitated and then said, “It is only to inform State Department officials in Washington.” Ursula lowered her voice and slowed her speech. “If you will not tell me who needs such a document, why and for whom, then I will have to have the approval of my boss, the Minister of the Interior.
In my experience your U.S. State Department should be requesting the information from me through the German State Department. Please do it the proper and official way for this information concerning Scientology.” The American diplomat sighed, “So you want an official United States government letter that requests your reasons and evidence for saying the things you do in your book?” “Yes,” said Ursula. “But why do you want it? You are U.S. citizens.
I get my best information from U.S. citizens living in the United States.” The American diplomat almost spoke over Ursula with his response. “Is that how you got a copy of the letter from Tom Cruise to the Secretary of State?” Ursula laughed. “Oh, you are back to the Tom Cruise’s 2003 letter that I published in my book.
The letter in which Tom Cruise thanks the U.S. State Department for being so helpful in the Church of Scientology’s battles in Europe and with the various European governments. Then you should request the information in the proper and official way from State Department to State Department.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33502
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/135450
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/17/wikileaks-you-ask-we-search
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/135450
It was a typical fall day in Hamburg, Germany; cloudy skies, periods of sunshine and a cool 35 degrees F. Ursula Caberta was talking on the telephone with the Russian Ambassador in Berlin.
They were discussing the possibility that the Russian government might place the Church of Scientology under surveillance by the internal security police as had happened in Germany.
Eventually Russia, like Bulgaria and most of the other Eastern European nations, had also discovered, experienced and disapproved of the revenue relationships between the Church of Scientology, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises or W.I.S.E., and its various member businesses, as well as many of their business activities, human rights violations and the church’s subversive global totalitarian political agenda.
A mere thirty minutes later two senior officials from the United States General Consulate in Hamburg were shown into Ursula’s office. The United States Consul had telephoned her a few days earlier and had invited her to a meeting at the Consulate.
Ursula had refused saying she was too busy and would not set foot upon American soil again after being treated by the United States legal system the way she was in the Lisa McPherson case. “If you want to come to my office I’m able to fit you in for a few minutes on Tuesday the 13th.” Now the two American diplomats were seated before her. An older man and a younger woman.
The older of the two American diplomats asked, “What are you working on?” Ursula smiled. “You could have read that in my reports and the Consul-General could have asked me that on the telephone.” The two diplomats frowned in unison. The older one, now clearly the spokesperson, sheepishly responded. “We’re here because we do not want to see any problems between the United States and German governments over Scientology.” Ursula’s smile changed to laughter.
“We do not have a problem with Scientology because we treat it for what it is. You have a problem with Scientology.” The younger consular official joined in saying “In the United States we have a different view of Scientology than some of you in Germany.”
Ursula leapt on her. “In Germany we see Scientology as an extremist political group. The United States does not. Well, you are dealing with Islamic terrorists and we are dealing with Scientology terrorists. My opinion is that we have to ban Scientology and its infiltration tactics.”
The younger of two consular officials asked why? Ursula smiled again. “You need to read my book,” she said. The young U.S. Consulate officer beamed, “We bought five copies and sent them to the State Department in Washington.”
The senior Consulate official spread a little flattery. “The best book on Scientology ever published,” he said. “Is it an official book?” Ursula smiled again while thinking “these stupid Americans.” “No, it is my book, but my boss, the Minister presented it with me so I am certain that he is in agreement with my opinions.” “That is very fortunate for you,” said the senior U. S. Consulate official sarcastically.
Ursula bristled and tersely responded, “In Germany we have the freedom to both work for the government and to write books.” The senior Consulate official blushed. “You must inform the United States State Department that your book contains only your personal opinions on Scientology and not the official position.”
Ursula was tiring of the arrogance of these two American diplomats. “No,” she snapped. “I will advise my State Department in Berlin and you can talk to them. I told your Consul-General that I will never set foot on United States soil again. I’ll tell you why. [She recounted the story from above re her hotel subpoena and deposition in the Lisa McPherson trial and the Heller v. Caberta case].
I can give you lists of people who we have helped leave Scientology after years of being brutalized by terror and deprived of their human rights. In a free country, like Germany, I can look after them.” The two U.S. Consular officials were speechless. After a long silence the senior Consular official spoke again. “The United States State Department is very concerned about Scientology too and it does not want to have any new problems with Germany over the Scientology issue.
Can you please talk to someone in my State Department? Maybe we do not know what is really going on with Scientology.” Ursula looked incredulous as she said, “Don’t be stupid. You know what is going on with Scientology. I hope that one of their top leaders that have defected will call me and receive political asylum from Germany because he cannot get any help from the U.S. government.”
This time the senior U.S. Consular official looked triumphent and pounced. “So you are serious? That is what Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department, on Scientology.” It was Ursula’s time to smile. “What Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department?
I published one of them in my book. I think that is why you are really here. Thank you for helping me in Europe. Did you know that the person Tom Cruise refers to as LRH (L. Ron Hubbard) wrote that millions of people can be thrown into concentration camps and exterminated. Maybe you in America call Scientology a religion but the whole organization is against human rights whatever you want to call it in America.
As for not offering former American senior Scientology officials requiring asylum and immunity from prosecution in Germany, in exchange for their testimony, the United States had granted ________ , a German scientologist, political asylum and an immigration visa in the United States because of alleged German government surveillance and persecution of the Church of Scientology.”
She picked up a news clipping from a stack on her desk and handed it to the two diplomats. It was a report on the U.S. Government’s granting of political asylum to the German Scientologist. Ursula then went over to her book case, removed a white three ring-binder titled, “The Hard Sell Pack” and flicked through the pages in front of the two consular officials. “Does that look like religious literature to you?
It looks like aggressive commercial marketing and expoitation to me.” Ursula’s secretary buzzed on the intercom. Her next appointment, a former cult member, was now waiting. Ursula rose and started showing the two U.S. Consulate officers to the door. “Well, we just want to be sure that there are no problems over Scientology between the United States and Germany,” the senior U.S. Consular official repeated.
Ursula was feeling repetitive too. “In Germany we no longer have a problem with Scientology. But you in the United States do.”
Office of Ursula Caberta, Thursday, November 15, 2007
Ursula was in her office, meeting with her senior staff attorney, when she received a follow-up telephone call from the senior political/commercial official at the United State Consulate General’s office in Hamburg. The American diplomat got straight to the point.
They had been disturbed by what they had heard and seen when they had met in her office two days ago. They were especially concerned to know the reasons and evidence supporting her position that the Church of Scientology should not be considered a church but instead a totalitarian political organization engaged in criminal activity, unlawful medical practice, commercial activity and money laudering.
Ursula responded that the request was crazy. “You have all of the information in the United States. You know why the Church should not be tax-exempt.” The American Diplomat responded that they still needed a document listing her reasons and the evidence that she has for her views. “I am not allowed to tell you that.
Why do you need it? Who needs it?” said Ursula. The American diplomat hestitated and then said, “It is only to inform State Department officials in Washington.” Ursula lowered her voice and slowed her speech. “If you will not tell me who needs such a document, why and for whom, then I will have to have the approval of my boss, the Minister of the Interior.
In my experience your U.S. State Department should be requesting the information from me through the German State Department. Please do it the proper and official way for this information concerning Scientology.” The American diplomat sighed, “So you want an official United States government letter that requests your reasons and evidence for saying the things you do in your book?” “Yes,” said Ursula. “But why do you want it? You are U.S. citizens.
I get my best information from U.S. citizens living in the United States.” The American diplomat almost spoke over Ursula with his response. “Is that how you got a copy of the letter from Tom Cruise to the Secretary of State?” Ursula laughed. “Oh, you are back to the Tom Cruise’s 2003 letter that I published in my book.
The letter in which Tom Cruise thanks the U.S. State Department for being so helpful in the Church of Scientology’s battles in Europe and with the various European governments. Then you should request the information in the proper and official way from State Department to State Department.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33502
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/135450
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/17/wikileaks-you-ask-we-search
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/135450
