Thanks for posting your views. I don't think there is much disagreement between us.
First - the red highlighted portion. I know from what I've read and been told that this was done intensively to people. However where I lived and did my Scio there was none of this. Not on me by another, nor by me on others, nor every other flow.
I believe you. Yes, the crush regging and atmosphere would certainly be detrimental.
Second: "It's a self-created maze of the mind, of the spirit, with no exit." If you do it wrongly - other-determinedly - then this will become true for you.
It's an interesting thought, Leon. Certainly anyone doing something because they are forced to do so will have difficulties. But most of those out experienced the endless maze long before any force. So this only applies to a small percent of those who have left.
But there is still no exit. Universes within universes within universes, lives before lives before lives before lives. No full OTs ever made, no shred of evidence to support that it is even possible through Scn.
My personal opinion, based on my own spiritual experiences is that Hubbard found a false exit and never got out of his mind.
Third: "And it all ends the same as Hubbard ended - screaming at BTs in one never-ending nightmare.
Those rewards are all available outside the maze - and much, much more. And freedom. "
This I disagree with. I myself have never 'screamed at BTs'...
BTW, a friend sent me this little excerpt from a poem by Longfellow:
I have read, in the marvellous heart of man,
That strange and mystic scroll,
That an army of phantoms vast and wan
Beleaguer the human soul.
Cute, isn't it?
Fair enough. It's more than possible that Bs & Cs exist. But I wouldn't call them that, think of them that way, nor do I think of them as the after-effect of a SciFi incident. Hubbard's concept and mine just don't mesh here at all. I don't even see a need to address them.
To do so does not answer questions. It just leads into the endless maze (sci fi incident before scifi incident before incident before??).
I think addressing Bs and Cs is a silly, unnecessary distraction. If you really understand how powerful your mind is, then you understand as well that the more you consider such things real, the more they become so. If you believe Bs & Cs exist and interfere with your life and thinking, then they will. If you believe they are trapping you, they will.
You could also view the entire universe as life connected to life. Without these connections, there is truly nothing at all. Not what you create, but simply - nothing, nobody. Zero time, zero awareness, zero perception (nothing to perceive) zero space. Nothing. Not even you.
If you were to view all of life as connected, you might consider that to live as a life form we must live it as composite living things - cells, grouped cells, friendships through love, animals, etc. Kindred spirits, the lot.
There is no trap when life cooperates together.
As far as the statement of "those rewards are available outside of the maze" is concerned - I have looked at many and never found one that is not itself a direct derivative of Scientology. And let me say too that there have been some excellent derivatives of Scientology.
cheers.
That doesn't make any sense, Leon. L Ron didn't even publish Dn until 1950. Many studies and sciences are far older than that, and others have studied in entirely different directions.
Looking at different studies is one thing. Immersing yourself in them for full comprehensive understanding is another. Even better (in my view) is learning as you go, as you live your own life, by applying different things from different studies to these situations.
I doubt you have ever given any other study the complete time, attention and trust you have given Scn.
Personally, I've found both Christian and Hindu tenets were far more comprehensive and spiritually enlightening than Scn. Some philosophers, like Kant, just knock me out. Plato changed my life.
But each has to be understand as itself, by itself, not as something compared to Scn. Prior to Scn, I am sure you were able to do this. I wonder if you can still do so now.
Nice chatting with you.
L,
Sheila