both Alanzo and Lone Star caused themselves to be banned on purpose, they both know the rules damn well.
Alanzo makes it sound like he was banned for voicing an opinion and Andy has fallen for it as well as others who agree with Alanzo.
Maybe it's because Alanzo, Lone Star, Andy and others don't quite understand Ad Hom. There is fine line and can be tricky and not understood. Or maybe Alanzo is trapping people?
https://literarydevices.net/ad-hominem/
Now consider there is lots of ad hom against or made to Hubbard or scientology or DM. IE he was just a pulp fiction writer, a science fiction writer, failed at college, didn't pay his bills, locked kids in chain lockers, all the bad things Hubbard did, etc.
Oh, and what about DM and the hole and his army of lawyers & PI's?
But the topic or argument is scientology/dianetics. Is what Hubbard wrote the truth or not, regardless of his past bad deeds?
From my experience, no the truth written by Hubbard is not truth, for there are no "clears" or "OT's". It's fraud, out-exchange and a rip-off and a false faith or religion.
I don't care about the good in scientology that trapped us, the big picture is this so called religion is bogus as the only logic I'm using is that there are no clears or OT's.
I am in 100% disagreement with Alanzo and Lone Star, I will not forward or contribute to debate scientology in any way shape or form on Alanzos blog, it was fun for awhile, but I changed my mind. This does not mean I hate Alanzo, Lone Star or others but I don't want to give them the opportunity to debate. eh, I changed my mind on my god given right to communicate when and where and on what I wish to do.
No doubt Alanzo will give me the label of anti scientology fanatic or even being tribal. LOL
Lone Star, you agreed in your reply to me on Alanzo blog, that there are no clears or OT's. Do you really think it's OK to let people read and study LRH books, lectures, training, auditing for a long time whether in the corporate COS or Indie for a false purpose or false belief or even right as a citizen to believe in a false outcome of clear or OT?
You and Alanzo and other ex's who post there are forwarding a delusion created by Hubbard and delusional thinking of clear and OT.
Cool post.
I'll make an observation on Alanzo's posts--because I have been watching him play the same game for a lot of years. I find everyone online posting about Scn (e.g. COS Scientologists, celebs, blow execs, former high level auditors, Ex-Scientologists, Indie Scn, FZ Scn, Never-Ins, et al) to
all be fascinating--for different reasons.
Alanzo, despite his disclaimers, has always craved attention. He has some writing skills--but not developed enough at this point to attract more than a scant view/comment here and there. That's why he resorted to something that professional or skilled writers do not have to do--
gimmicks. That's how he is trying to solve the lack of attention.
His gimmick consists, essentially, of
one trick he tries again and again, ad infinitum. He lures people into conversation using PR charm and a patina of "logic". He makes great efforts to populate his posts with references to Plato, Socrates and other more modern philosophers, researchers, authors/books. This lays the foundation of his gimmick.
He even makes a showing of the "Socratic Method" and goes through the same drill of "asking questions" of his reader--to try to engage them in what portends to be a reasoned "discussion". That's all a ruse.
Once he snares someone's attention online, he then begins to throw in subtle barbs, innuendo and he doesn't answer questions directly, but resorts to ambiguity, "cute" non-answers and dancing around the subject as if people on the forum are there JUST dying and hoping to gain his priceless wisdom.
When people start getting annoyed, he then throws out non-sequitur "jokes" or lame attempts at "satire" (
neither of which are funny). Then he typically & awkwardly tries to engage others in a role-playing game where he is the celeb superstar and others are his obsequious inferiors. It's a creepy kind of humor that only he seems to value the humor (or "admiration" from).
Now is when Alanzo really gets going. When other posters start grilling him on his bizarre and frequently nonsensical ideas, the conversation heats up because people don't like getting played by showoffs and arrogant jerks. That's when Alanzo switches gears. He then begins BACK-PEDALING and WALKING BACK things he has claimed before.
Astonishingly, right before everyone's eyes, he begins negating his own previous statements, positions and crusades. Now everyone is thoroughly confused, which is exactly what he wanted in the first place. Many furious posts start flying and he continues to dance around, quite delighted with his clownish ability to hold so many people's attention.
When it gets too stupid and absurd, people start to ignore him. He then begins TROLLING THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM AND HIS PROBLEMS.
People react and Alanzo continues relishing his short-lived role as the contrarian philosopher that knows more than anyone--and never misses an opportunity to deliver his "virtue signaling" sermons. The topic is always the same--"WHY YOU SHOULD BE MORE LIKE ME, ALANZO, A SPIRITUALLY AND MORALLY SUPERIOR PERSON TO YOU".
All this culminates in a trolling maelstrom and THAT'S exactly when Alanzo gets banned--because he becomes fully, contemptibly and irreconcilably toxic to the message board or blog.
Well, there you have it. Trolling, Gimmicks and Hypocritical Sermons by Alanzo--about the dangers of Trolling, Gimmicks & Hypocrisy! LOL