The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise that?

[RolandRB]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

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As has already been mentioned, the proof that Scientology is unable to deliver the "exterior with full perception" promise is L Ron Hubbard's "Operation Snow White". The "exteriorisation" is as false a claim as the existence of "engrams". To answer the question posed by the title of this thread: yes, the Indie Dependents can promise the L12 E/P, just like how L Ron Hubbard promised it. Can they deliver? Nope.

It can't be delivered if the PC has a hidden standard in wanting to be exterior with full perception like LRH promised. Hidden standards are out-ethics.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Aiki,

You should read these two posts by Karen, an LRH-trained Class XII
Auditor, an Ls CS for seven years, and former wife of the COS President.
Tell us what you think.

If you're permitted to read them, that is.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-i...e/#comment-273

and

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/who-i...e/#comment-310

Comment specifically, please. I'm interested.

Firstly...what's all this if you're permitted?

Secondly...what is there to think? Standard rubbish yet you seem to be still attached to it. I prefer understanding.

I understand it's pr rubbish. Good understanding sets you free as far as I am concerned.

As far as I can see it's standard ego games. Two sides against each other. Still kids.

The church IDENTITY. The victims IDENTITY. IDENTITY ALL THE WAY......EGO.

Thus to me from a spiritual perspective not many have learned much at all. The church is one big ego trip and the anti lot are still part of that ego trip. Time to wake up and grow up I say.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

LOL! You don't know me at all. Quit trying to insult me with your wild imaginings of what I am, what I think or what I do.

You are completely ignorant of me and are always completely incorrect in your accusations and insults.

Bill

On the contrary. I don't know you or need to either. I only know you you love it.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

I'd have thought the need to 'talk yourself up' (to us of all people) would be for the insecure ... The most spiritual people I know just go quietly about their business and seem to have no need to convince anyone of anything.

Glad you know some. Convince? Nah, not into convincing. Say my piece...move on.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Gadfly]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Firstly...what's all this if you're permitted?

Secondly...what is there to think? Standard rubbish yet you seem to be still attached to it. I prefer understanding.

I understand it's pr rubbish. Good understanding sets you free as far as I am concerned.

As far as I can see it's standard ego games. Two sides against each other. Still kids.

The church IDENTITY. The victims IDENTITY. IDENTITY ALL THE WAY......EGO.

Thus to me from a spiritual perspective not many have learned much at all. The church is one big ego trip and the anti lot are still part of that ego trip. Time to wake up and grow up I say.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Gadfly]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Glad you know some. Convince? Nah, not into convincing. Say my piece...move on.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Gadfly]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

On the contrary. I don't know you or need to either. I only know you you love it.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Aiki,

you almost answered my questions, good job. Did you ever get any auditing? How about training? What kind?

Its funny you mention being part of the indies and never having had any formal scientology experience. You were gullible enough to fall for it outside of the church without the constant pressure and indoctrination. That doesnt bode well for your efforts here friend. Your sign off line "Peace.Aiki." Do you subsrcibe to peace? Your posts sure show your lack of experience and knowledge in the pros and cons of scn. Im betting you dont have a clue and have an ulterior motive to posting here. Tell me about what you really hope to accomplish by posting here please. Real answers please, no dodging this time.

Gullible enough or aware enough? By the way if my answer doesn't fit what you want you can call it what you want too ie: dodging etc.

I had plenty of Auditing right through the bridge. Maybe more than most here so plenty experience there thanks. Started with comm courses and objectives before even life repair. On through grades up to ot seven. In fact when I left the indies were talking about what comes next. All kinds of things being talked about. Some were even doing something called avatar.

Trained in Auditing too. The understanding of the principles involved in that skill and may I say ability is of great worth of itself. Cost to me financially? Virtually nothing. I came, I received, I gained, I moved on.

You want to actually talk about the principles involved in Auditing, the comm cycle, the why of the grades etc. feel free. The misunderstandings I came across along the way were many as far as I am concerned. I didn't even meet many who knew what the oca graph showed actually.

So that little time period then seems like it was a good little window, shame it closed.

My aim here or anywhere for that matter to to show people they can. Simple really. Yet can takes responsibility. Being against is not responsible. The enemy is and always will be in yourself and nowhere else.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Queenmab321]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Gullible enough or aware enough?

Oh my fucking God, that's funny. I'm picturing Jesus saying this to Pilate and the look on Pilate's face. I literally have tears in my eyes.

 

[Anonycat]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Firstly...what's all this if you're permitted?

Secondly...what is there to think? Standard rubbish yet you seem to be still attached to it. I prefer understanding.

I understand it's pr rubbish. Good understanding sets you free as far as I am concerned.

As far as I can see it's standard ego games. Two sides against each other. Still kids.

The church IDENTITY. The victims IDENTITY. IDENTITY ALL THE WAY......EGO.

Thus to me from a spiritual perspective not many have learned much at all. The church is one big ego trip and the anti lot are still part of that ego trip. Time to wake up and grow up I say.

Peace.Aiki.

Everyone is crazy but you, and we fools should let you save us. And your spiritual perspective is your armour to allow yourself crazy opinions. The world needs to "wake up and grow up". What if it's you that is ...

IDENTITY ALL THE WAY......EGO.

Then what can be done to save YOU? What if consensus says that it is you who have not learned much at all? What then?

 

[10oriocookies]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Gullible enough or aware enough? By the way if my answer doesn't fit what you want you can call it what you want too ie: dodging etc.

I had plenty of Auditing right through the bridge. Maybe more than most here so plenty experience there thanks. Started with comm courses and objectives before even life repair. On through grades up to ot seven. In fact when I left the indies were talking about what comes next. All kinds of things being talked about. Some were even doing something called avatar.

Trained in Auditing too. The understanding of the principles involved in that skill and may I say ability is of great worth of itself. Cost to me financially? Virtually nothing. I came, I received, I gained, I moved on.

You want to actually talk about the principles involved in Auditing, the comm cycle, the why of the grades etc. feel free. The misunderstandings I came across along the way were many as far as I am concerned. I didn't even meet many who knew what the oca graph showed actually.

So that little time period then seems like it was a good little window, shame it closed.

My aim here or anywhere for that matter to to show people they can. Simple really. Yet can takes responsibility. Being against is not responsible. The enemy is and always will be in yourself and nowhere else.

Peace.Aiki.

Ok. Thanks for the semi-bio and other answers. Show me I can take a shit please, I don't know how. If I'm against child pornography, does that make me irresponsible? If I am in a war, should I shoot myself because the enemy is within me? Your communication reveals a lot friend, carry on. Im out.
Peace.E.T.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Everyone is crazy but you, and we fools should let you save us. And your spiritual perspective is your armour to allow yourself crazy opinions. The world needs to "wake up and grow up". What if it's you that is ...

Then what can be done to save YOU? What if consensus says that it is you who have not learned much at all? What then?

I don't need to save you, that's your job. I have plenty to learn too, it's all good.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Ok. Thanks for the semi-bio and other answers. Show me I can take a shit please, I don't know how. If I'm against child pornography, does that make me irresponsible? If I am in a war, should I shoot myself because the enemy is within me? Your communication reveals a lot friend, carry on. Im out.
Peace.E.T.

You ask, you put down, that's quite a trick. Being against makes one blind.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Anonycat]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

I don't need to save you, that's your job. I have plenty to learn too, it's all good.

Peace.Aiki.

I'm fine, thanks. It just seems like you're fixated on trying to place yourself as superior to others, and relish in condescending.

 

[Bill]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

You ask, you put down, that's quite a trick. Being against makes one blind.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[guanoloco]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Bachman Turner Overdrive have a really cool song.

The lyrics go:

"Let it Troll...Down the Highway...Troll...Troll...Troll..."

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

I'm fine, thanks. It just seems like you're fixated on trying to place yourself as superior to others, and relish in condescending.

I dunno, seems you all do fine with condescending labels without my help. I'm fixated now am I?

I notice no one actually discusses L12. Seems like a fixation on a mad hidden standard and false e,p.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

Bachman Turner Overdrive have a really cool song.

The lyrics go:

"Let it Troll...Down the Highway...Troll...Troll...Troll..."

I prefer Bob Marley or John Lennon.......most will fit.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Anonycat]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

I dunno, seems you all do fine with condescending labels without my help. I'm fixated now am I?

I notice no one actually discusses L12. Seems like a fixation on a mad hidden standard and false e,p.

Peace.Aiki.

I would say still fixated, coolwink, eyeroll, etc.

If you want to talk about L12, have you tried Karen? She's one of 7 Class VII C/Ss in the world. I'm sure she can give you advice, although she's not a free zoner.

 

[Aiki]

Re: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise th

I would say still fixated, coolwink, eyeroll, etc.

If you want to talk about L12, have you tried Karen? She's one of 7 Class VII C/Ss in the world. I'm sure she can give you advice, although she's not a free zoner.

I would say unfixated. Scientology is past, gone. Except for those stuck in the past I suppose. Putting it down is just as bad as bigging it up. Unwillingness to let go.

Peace.Aiki.