Anonymous gets another Scientologist to leave
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Wisened One
Crusader
I'm posting the text here. Hope that is ok......it's good. 
Really good. 
WOW! 
GO Anon! 
.............................................................................................................................
I don't even know where to begin, so please, bear with me.
I was a Scientologist until very recently. It's very hard for me to
type this out, and it's taken me a few weeks to decide wether or not
to write you. I have no idea who you are, or what you do. I just saw
the email link on your site and decided I had to write you.
I'm in my 50s. I cannot tell you where I lived or give you names, for
reasons you know better than most people in Scientology do. I wanted
to share my story with you, and how thankful I am. I'm going to try to
speak in terms the general public can understand, based on you asking
me if you could share this email.
I was a public Scientologist for over twenty years. I got into
Scientology as a single mother, because members at the Org would
babysit my daughter. I ended up eventually going up the Bridge until
the level of OT2 before after spending alot of time, money, and more
auditing sessions than I can begin to remember over the course of 15
years.
My daughter started attending courses and doing auditing as well and
when she was in her later teens, Flag sent some Sea Org executives to
our org and she was hooked. She signed on at the Sea Org when she was
eighteen years old, in the late nineties.
I was very proud of her. My daughter was doing her part to help clear
the planet and I was doing my part at the stress test tables to bring
people into the Orgs and then selling them the Basics.
In 2002, I was called in to the office with the president of our Org.
He sat me down and told me that my daughter was requesting to "route
out" from the Sea Org and Scientology altogether and as her only close
relative and one in Scientology, I was being asked to handle her to
convince her to stay in.
We fought for several weeks. She had told me what was happening to her
in the Sea Org and at the time I didn't believe her. She was telling
us of working 18 hours a day 7 days a week, of being touched and
groped by senior Sea Org officials, about not eating properly, and
other horrors, very similar to what you've all read and what I've read
over the last few weeks. I didn't want to believe her, and I was told
that if I couldn't handle her I would be declared PTS for being
connected to her. I remember calling her that night, and begged her to
stop tearing our family apart, that she had to stay in, didn't she
see? She was very upset, and said that was one of the reasons she had
to leave, that she just believed there was something better out there,
there had to be, there had to be something better than what she was in
that would make her mother believe what she was being told over what
she was hearing from her own daughter.
After that conversation, she blew a few days later and never finished
routing out properly. She just up and left. She had called me several
times to try and get me to listen to her, to hear why she had to do it
and I felt like I had been betrayed. All the good Scientology had done
her, had done me, had done us, why was she doing this, why was she
turning her back on Hubbard and the Tech and her own mother? I was
legitimately angry at her and hurt, and I couldn't realize it at the
time. My heart told me something was wrong, but my head and my way of
thinking told me otherwise, that I was doing the right thing.
I ended up disconnecting from my daughter around Christmas of 2002. It
never did sit right with me, but I knew we were right, I knew we were
clearing the planet. I wasn't PTS but I was given several auditing
sessions and security checks to make sure I wasn't harboring any
"crimes" against Scientology.
I continued on staff the next six years. My daughter would write me
once every few months - I didn't even open the letters she sent and
threw them away in the trash. It countinued this way until 2008.
Then in March, an amazing thing happened that changed my life. I was
told on March 15th to not come to the Org that saturday, because there
were "renovations" that were happenning to the interior or something
similar. Most staff and workers got the same notice. I had left
something at the Org that I needed, so I went there early in the
morning.
An hour later, a group of people wearing masks, listening to music,
and waving signs all approached from across the street and by our
front doors, coming out of nowhere, about thirty to fifty people, I
couldn't see through the windows too well. There were about a dozen
staff members in the building and three in the lobby when this
happened. I remember thinking it was the strangest thing I had ever
seen, with all the masks. The signs said negative things about
Scientology - that it was a cult, that it was a scam, and other things
that would have normally made me brush it off, but the strangeness of
it all kept all three of us locked on what was happening.
Immediately, one of the higher execs came from upstairs and told us we
had to go to the meeting now, that we had to go upstairs to the
conference room we used for auditing. It was in the middle of the
building with no windows. All 12 of us went there, and there was where
we stayed. Half of them didn't know what was happening outside and
when we went to discuss it, the exec who rounded all of us up told us
that it was a dangerous group outside and that they would try to kill
us or hurt us if we went out - that they had been making death
threats, had made bomb threats, had even killed - KILLED - people. We
were being held inside for our own safety, and we were not to discuss
what was happening outside, or to listen to anything we may have heard
or seen from outside. One staffer went to call the police and called
several times over the few hours that the "terrorists" were there.
They kept us in that room for six hours, only allowing short trips to
the bathroom and we had to be accompanied by the two top execs who
were there both to and from, taking a way through the building that
made sure we wouldn't pass any windows.
They finally told us to forget about it and go home, at around six pm,
and to forget what we saw as it was a group of SPs who we didn't want
to talk with, didn't want to listen to.
I went home that night and I remembered a big sign I had seen with a
website on it. It was whyaretheydead.net. I went to the site, and I
panicked immediately when I saw what it was, but something just
clicked on me, remembering my daughter, and I read for hours on that
site and all the other ones linked through it. I read through the
night, and had a large headache and didn't come in the next day
because of it.
When I did get back to the Org the day after, there had been no
renovations done at all. It was strange.
The exec I had mentioned earlier was an OTV. I made the first mistake
I shouldn't have. I pulled him aside and asked him, since I was OTII,
and had already paid for most of the preparation courses for OTIII, if
the Xenu story was true, since I had seen it on so many websites. I
was asked how I found out, and why I was asking, and when I said I had
just looked at a few sites and was confused, I ended up getting sec-
checked for three days, and was told that unless I confessed my crimes
I would be kicked off the Bridge.
Over the next few months, I made the decision to leave Scientology,
after doing research on it. It was a very, very hard step for me to do
and it still is. I've had to move twice, change phone numbers twice,
and take other steps to keep them from bothering me. I told them I
wanted out completely. My friends inside were told to handle me, and I
broke down and cried every night for two weeks when I realized what
they were doing to me was what I had been told to do to my daughter
six years ago. They disconnected from me when I told them to leave me
alone and I really felt I had nobody.
I ended up looking up my daughter, who had moved in the six years. I
was so scared when I picked up the phone, it took me five tries to
dial the number. She picked up the phone on the third ring and said
"Hello?" My voice cracked as I said her name. It was the first time we
talked in six years. She just said "Mom?" in the same type of voice,
and we both cried. We spoke for six hours that night.
I had missed so much of her life. Since she blew Scientology, she had
moved, found a career, and was back in school. She had met a wonderful
man and they had married in 2006. They had their first child around
Thanksgiving last year, a beautiful daughter.
After I hung up the phone, I was so hurt and angry. I missed
everything in my daughter's life because I insisted on not listening
to her when she told me why she was leaving, or when she would send me
letters. All her life was in those to tell me how she was, and I
missed them all. I missed the letter telling me that she got accepted
into school. I missed the letter about her telling me about her new
job. I missed the letter that she wrote telling me about her new
boyfriend and year later, her fiance. I had even thrown away my own
daughters wedding invitation. I never got to see my little girl walk
down the aisle, I never read or opened the letter that told me she was
pregnant with her first child, or the letter that said it was a girl.
It has been a long road the last few months, but my daughter has
forgiven me. I had lost twenty years of my life to Scientology, and so
many meomories, and I thank god every night that I didn't lose my
family too.
Scientology robbed me of all those things and I was too blind to see
it, but I created a new memory that I cry everytime I remember because
it was a miracle to me. Four weeks ago, I held my grandaughter for the
very first time.
I'm taking it slow, one day at a time, and seeking the help I need,
seeing the same doctors and specialists that helped my daughter when
she left years ago.
It has taken me a long time to type this up because of the tears in my
eyes, I've had to stop, it's taken me six hours to write this email.
Thank you, whoever you are. While I may never be able to stand with
you, or meet you face to face, you will always have my tearful thanks
for doing what you are. Get the word out to more people, and don't
give up doing what you are doing, because it's working in ways nobody
could have ever imagined.
Really good. WOW! GO Anon! .............................................................................................................................
I don't even know where to begin, so please, bear with me.
I was a Scientologist until very recently. It's very hard for me to
type this out, and it's taken me a few weeks to decide wether or not
to write you. I have no idea who you are, or what you do. I just saw
the email link on your site and decided I had to write you.
I'm in my 50s. I cannot tell you where I lived or give you names, for
reasons you know better than most people in Scientology do. I wanted
to share my story with you, and how thankful I am. I'm going to try to
speak in terms the general public can understand, based on you asking
me if you could share this email.
I was a public Scientologist for over twenty years. I got into
Scientology as a single mother, because members at the Org would
babysit my daughter. I ended up eventually going up the Bridge until
the level of OT2 before after spending alot of time, money, and more
auditing sessions than I can begin to remember over the course of 15
years.
My daughter started attending courses and doing auditing as well and
when she was in her later teens, Flag sent some Sea Org executives to
our org and she was hooked. She signed on at the Sea Org when she was
eighteen years old, in the late nineties.
I was very proud of her. My daughter was doing her part to help clear
the planet and I was doing my part at the stress test tables to bring
people into the Orgs and then selling them the Basics.
In 2002, I was called in to the office with the president of our Org.
He sat me down and told me that my daughter was requesting to "route
out" from the Sea Org and Scientology altogether and as her only close
relative and one in Scientology, I was being asked to handle her to
convince her to stay in.
We fought for several weeks. She had told me what was happening to her
in the Sea Org and at the time I didn't believe her. She was telling
us of working 18 hours a day 7 days a week, of being touched and
groped by senior Sea Org officials, about not eating properly, and
other horrors, very similar to what you've all read and what I've read
over the last few weeks. I didn't want to believe her, and I was told
that if I couldn't handle her I would be declared PTS for being
connected to her. I remember calling her that night, and begged her to
stop tearing our family apart, that she had to stay in, didn't she
see? She was very upset, and said that was one of the reasons she had
to leave, that she just believed there was something better out there,
there had to be, there had to be something better than what she was in
that would make her mother believe what she was being told over what
she was hearing from her own daughter.
After that conversation, she blew a few days later and never finished
routing out properly. She just up and left. She had called me several
times to try and get me to listen to her, to hear why she had to do it
and I felt like I had been betrayed. All the good Scientology had done
her, had done me, had done us, why was she doing this, why was she
turning her back on Hubbard and the Tech and her own mother? I was
legitimately angry at her and hurt, and I couldn't realize it at the
time. My heart told me something was wrong, but my head and my way of
thinking told me otherwise, that I was doing the right thing.
I ended up disconnecting from my daughter around Christmas of 2002. It
never did sit right with me, but I knew we were right, I knew we were
clearing the planet. I wasn't PTS but I was given several auditing
sessions and security checks to make sure I wasn't harboring any
"crimes" against Scientology.
I continued on staff the next six years. My daughter would write me
once every few months - I didn't even open the letters she sent and
threw them away in the trash. It countinued this way until 2008.
Then in March, an amazing thing happened that changed my life. I was
told on March 15th to not come to the Org that saturday, because there
were "renovations" that were happenning to the interior or something
similar. Most staff and workers got the same notice. I had left
something at the Org that I needed, so I went there early in the
morning.
An hour later, a group of people wearing masks, listening to music,
and waving signs all approached from across the street and by our
front doors, coming out of nowhere, about thirty to fifty people, I
couldn't see through the windows too well. There were about a dozen
staff members in the building and three in the lobby when this
happened. I remember thinking it was the strangest thing I had ever
seen, with all the masks. The signs said negative things about
Scientology - that it was a cult, that it was a scam, and other things
that would have normally made me brush it off, but the strangeness of
it all kept all three of us locked on what was happening.
Immediately, one of the higher execs came from upstairs and told us we
had to go to the meeting now, that we had to go upstairs to the
conference room we used for auditing. It was in the middle of the
building with no windows. All 12 of us went there, and there was where
we stayed. Half of them didn't know what was happening outside and
when we went to discuss it, the exec who rounded all of us up told us
that it was a dangerous group outside and that they would try to kill
us or hurt us if we went out - that they had been making death
threats, had made bomb threats, had even killed - KILLED - people. We
were being held inside for our own safety, and we were not to discuss
what was happening outside, or to listen to anything we may have heard
or seen from outside. One staffer went to call the police and called
several times over the few hours that the "terrorists" were there.
They kept us in that room for six hours, only allowing short trips to
the bathroom and we had to be accompanied by the two top execs who
were there both to and from, taking a way through the building that
made sure we wouldn't pass any windows.
They finally told us to forget about it and go home, at around six pm,
and to forget what we saw as it was a group of SPs who we didn't want
to talk with, didn't want to listen to.
I went home that night and I remembered a big sign I had seen with a
website on it. It was whyaretheydead.net. I went to the site, and I
panicked immediately when I saw what it was, but something just
clicked on me, remembering my daughter, and I read for hours on that
site and all the other ones linked through it. I read through the
night, and had a large headache and didn't come in the next day
because of it.
When I did get back to the Org the day after, there had been no
renovations done at all. It was strange.
The exec I had mentioned earlier was an OTV. I made the first mistake
I shouldn't have. I pulled him aside and asked him, since I was OTII,
and had already paid for most of the preparation courses for OTIII, if
the Xenu story was true, since I had seen it on so many websites. I
was asked how I found out, and why I was asking, and when I said I had
just looked at a few sites and was confused, I ended up getting sec-
checked for three days, and was told that unless I confessed my crimes
I would be kicked off the Bridge.
Over the next few months, I made the decision to leave Scientology,
after doing research on it. It was a very, very hard step for me to do
and it still is. I've had to move twice, change phone numbers twice,
and take other steps to keep them from bothering me. I told them I
wanted out completely. My friends inside were told to handle me, and I
broke down and cried every night for two weeks when I realized what
they were doing to me was what I had been told to do to my daughter
six years ago. They disconnected from me when I told them to leave me
alone and I really felt I had nobody.
I ended up looking up my daughter, who had moved in the six years. I
was so scared when I picked up the phone, it took me five tries to
dial the number. She picked up the phone on the third ring and said
"Hello?" My voice cracked as I said her name. It was the first time we
talked in six years. She just said "Mom?" in the same type of voice,
and we both cried. We spoke for six hours that night.
I had missed so much of her life. Since she blew Scientology, she had
moved, found a career, and was back in school. She had met a wonderful
man and they had married in 2006. They had their first child around
Thanksgiving last year, a beautiful daughter.
After I hung up the phone, I was so hurt and angry. I missed
everything in my daughter's life because I insisted on not listening
to her when she told me why she was leaving, or when she would send me
letters. All her life was in those to tell me how she was, and I
missed them all. I missed the letter telling me that she got accepted
into school. I missed the letter about her telling me about her new
job. I missed the letter that she wrote telling me about her new
boyfriend and year later, her fiance. I had even thrown away my own
daughters wedding invitation. I never got to see my little girl walk
down the aisle, I never read or opened the letter that told me she was
pregnant with her first child, or the letter that said it was a girl.
It has been a long road the last few months, but my daughter has
forgiven me. I had lost twenty years of my life to Scientology, and so
many meomories, and I thank god every night that I didn't lose my
family too.
Scientology robbed me of all those things and I was too blind to see
it, but I created a new memory that I cry everytime I remember because
it was a miracle to me. Four weeks ago, I held my grandaughter for the
very first time.
I'm taking it slow, one day at a time, and seeking the help I need,
seeing the same doctors and specialists that helped my daughter when
she left years ago.
It has taken me a long time to type this up because of the tears in my
eyes, I've had to stop, it's taken me six hours to write this email.
Thank you, whoever you are. While I may never be able to stand with
you, or meet you face to face, you will always have my tearful thanks
for doing what you are. Get the word out to more people, and don't
give up doing what you are doing, because it's working in ways nobody
could have ever imagined.
alex
Gold Meritorious Patron
duplicate thread... of http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=8217
"since I was OTII,
and had already paid for most of the preparation courses for OTIII"
and if you are ot2 there are no other courses between that and ot3.
fake story.
alex
"since I was OTII,
and had already paid for most of the preparation courses for OTIII"
and if you are ot2 there are no other courses between that and ot3.
fake story.
alex
Wisened One
Crusader
This story is FAKE?
What? :confused2:
Well it's a heartwarming fake story, then!
I still like it, tho.
What? :confused2:
Well it's a heartwarming fake story, then!
I still like it, tho.
Wisened One
Crusader
thetanic: Her saying 'President' instead of 'ED' sounded legit to me..she did say something to the effect of she'd try to 'speak in terms the general public would understand...'.
And this is NUTS trying to figure out if this is a true or fake story, geez!
I also think that maybe she coulda had to do some extra word-clearing or something before going onto III, etc.
And she just said that she had to get sec-checked, she didn't say WHERE. Not only THAT, but maybe they did a sec check on her-unstandardly- due to the 'circumstances' (with Anon, etc.)....??
If this WAS a fake story, who would do this? Wouldn't be OSA testing such a story to then be able to point out 'lies' if found on Anon signs, would it?
I say, it's real. Call me gullible.
Michelle
And this is NUTS trying to figure out if this is a true or fake story, geez!
I also think that maybe she coulda had to do some extra word-clearing or something before going onto III, etc.
And she just said that she had to get sec-checked, she didn't say WHERE. Not only THAT, but maybe they did a sec check on her-unstandardly- due to the 'circumstances' (with Anon, etc.)....??
If this WAS a fake story, who would do this? Wouldn't be OSA testing such a story to then be able to point out 'lies' if found on Anon signs, would it?
I say, it's real. Call me gullible.
Michelle
thetanic
Gold Meritorious Patron
If this WAS a fake story, who would do this? Wouldn't be OSA testing such a story to then be able to point out 'lies' if found on Anon signs, would it?
Only reason I can think of was to get the anon to out him or herself by emailing the story to one person.
That said, it doesn't seem like the kind of story they'd send in that case.
Wisened One
Crusader
Yeah, that too? This all sounds like it might've happened during one of the first protests that Anon did, and of COURSE that woulda spooked all of co$/orgs, so I could definitely see them resorting to weird, off-standard practices like sec-checks on those who can't yet have them bridge-wise, and in strange locations (orgs vs at ao's, etc.)....She did describe the fear the execs were displayin', I mean..come on! 
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
Yeah I just love how you jump in there with "fake story" Alex. I'm sure if anyone else bites on that your stats will be up.
Reminder - This is a duplicate thread.
Power Change
Patron Meritorious
hey....uh...isnt this a duplicate thread?
Ok by me, just thought I'd point this out. :confused2:
Ok by me, just thought I'd point this out. :confused2:
Wisened One
Crusader
Yeah, I know this is a duplicate thread, but since it hasn't been merged or anything.....(somebody should do so?).
I say it's real, and that's that.
I say it's real, and that's that.
Terril park
Sponsor
I'd say that was a wrong assumption. For starters one must do the OT III
course, one may get some arbitrary sec checking or even a retread of solo.
Most probably this is someone who has a hazy knowledge of exactly what one must do, not being a C/S or reg. One must study as part of OT III and
that is really OT III as the rest is solo auditing which one does not pay for.
Iknowtoomuch
Gold Meritorious Patron
Should I copy and paste from the other thread.
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
Should I copy and paste from the other thread.
No, PM Emma and ask her to merge them.
Iknowtoomuch
Gold Meritorious Patron
