Free to shine
Shiny & Free
From the thread above on enturbulation.org
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Although I have read possibly everything that was written in the Internet from each speaker; I would like to emphasis that each of the speakers made it very clear why they were there, and what they were doing was a public service at the invitation of Mrs. Ursula Caberta, their presence with many examples explained many more things to me.
The Scientologists in the morning of the event were outside with their police registered event (This is normal under German law). They had their, made by the local printer, signboards which were by some of them also a refuge, all you could see behind the signs was the lower part of the body. There were about ten demonstrators, and half in their 50 - 60's. I didn't recognize anyone only Sabine Weber. They started again in the afternoon and before the event. There flyer was the usual mixture of information and disinformation which reinforced the presence to the public, that no one really knows if Scientology is a scam or not, including the OSA. One mistake they made was to represent a swastika on their flyer. This is strongly forbidden here in Germany, I wonder why the police didn't notice and confiscate it?
Mrs Caberta had invited a Scientology representative to present their point of view, but nobody turned up. Everyone was filtered before entering the hall and there were subsequently only guests that had a genuine interest that came in. At the back of the room were perhaps 8 translators in their individual cubicles, with enough translations receivers for everybody.
The event was very professional, we didn't have enough time for questions and answers as the hall had to be vacated at eight o'clock. The Dutch Anons recorded everything with a professional video camera, this is probably the source for eventual evaluation that would remain after the event. There was someone else there with a camera but he left after a while or he took up place at the back of the hall?
Larry Brenner started everything off with a good speaker presence, and lots of examples. i.e."That Hubbard over the two year period of the "Religious Cloaking" gave the orders personally, the whole time, instructing the new religious use of Scientology". The impression from all the speakers was what they had to say, didn't include the normal Scientology misinformation, their information originated from personal experience, and elaborated all the Scientology mysteries that occur when one mixes opinion and fact together. To me it all seemed credible, it explained a feasible reality, a genuine attempt to distinguish fact from fiction.
Each speaker spoke from their personal and factual experience. They had really no motive, to lie or exaggerate or make a religious attack. Here was a audience, a need to inform oneself, of what Scientology really is, and how or if it fits into the German democracy.
The last speaker, lawyer Graham Berry really closed many of the legal ambiguities. (The differences between American law and German law). i.e. That staff in their business premises have to treated as Volunteers and not employers, while there is no minimun rates of pay, so there is no "Staff Contract" as there are no staff members but instead volunteers.
When you think of it, there is no legal, or religious reason, why former staff members can not speak from their, special and personal experience in Scientology, to an interested and formal audience that have the legal responsibility to accept or reject Scientology in their constitution. One of the good things of a democracy is that it furthers the right to believe in the future choice of one's own religion, i.e. marriage, the right to work, the right to participate.
The problems of Scientology integration in a society, seems to me, is that it requires an originated Scientology Management transparency, of what does it contribute to a country's democracy, and at least a credible argument that Scientology has anything to do with philosophic and religious reason.
I really have to struggle to imagine what has Hubbard found out in his researches of philosophy and religion, something new, that has not already existed for the last 2000 - 3500 years.
I didn't notice any attempt to reduce the freedom of religious opinion, or to attack the management of the church of Scientology, or to attack democratic rights; but I did notice a sincere attempt to create a transparency from personal experience; "What is Scientology and the conditions that one should know before one has something to do with Scientology?". This event I would recommend to television producers and scholars of religions.
A small piece of personal experience saves thousands of hours of reading questionable propaganda.
The event ended with the sudden appearance of many Anons, who posed for photos with the celebrity speakers, including Mrs. Ursula Caberta.
The 4th of September 2008, Hamburg - A day of spiritual equilibrium was achieved!
Thank you to the Town Hamburg for this innovative opportunity, and especially Mrs. Ursula Caberta, the Hamburg police, the BND, Anonymous, and the very generous celebrity speakers for their honesty to inform.
Socrates
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Although I have read possibly everything that was written in the Internet from each speaker; I would like to emphasis that each of the speakers made it very clear why they were there, and what they were doing was a public service at the invitation of Mrs. Ursula Caberta, their presence with many examples explained many more things to me.
The Scientologists in the morning of the event were outside with their police registered event (This is normal under German law). They had their, made by the local printer, signboards which were by some of them also a refuge, all you could see behind the signs was the lower part of the body. There were about ten demonstrators, and half in their 50 - 60's. I didn't recognize anyone only Sabine Weber. They started again in the afternoon and before the event. There flyer was the usual mixture of information and disinformation which reinforced the presence to the public, that no one really knows if Scientology is a scam or not, including the OSA. One mistake they made was to represent a swastika on their flyer. This is strongly forbidden here in Germany, I wonder why the police didn't notice and confiscate it?
Mrs Caberta had invited a Scientology representative to present their point of view, but nobody turned up. Everyone was filtered before entering the hall and there were subsequently only guests that had a genuine interest that came in. At the back of the room were perhaps 8 translators in their individual cubicles, with enough translations receivers for everybody.
The event was very professional, we didn't have enough time for questions and answers as the hall had to be vacated at eight o'clock. The Dutch Anons recorded everything with a professional video camera, this is probably the source for eventual evaluation that would remain after the event. There was someone else there with a camera but he left after a while or he took up place at the back of the hall?
Larry Brenner started everything off with a good speaker presence, and lots of examples. i.e."That Hubbard over the two year period of the "Religious Cloaking" gave the orders personally, the whole time, instructing the new religious use of Scientology". The impression from all the speakers was what they had to say, didn't include the normal Scientology misinformation, their information originated from personal experience, and elaborated all the Scientology mysteries that occur when one mixes opinion and fact together. To me it all seemed credible, it explained a feasible reality, a genuine attempt to distinguish fact from fiction.
Each speaker spoke from their personal and factual experience. They had really no motive, to lie or exaggerate or make a religious attack. Here was a audience, a need to inform oneself, of what Scientology really is, and how or if it fits into the German democracy.
The last speaker, lawyer Graham Berry really closed many of the legal ambiguities. (The differences between American law and German law). i.e. That staff in their business premises have to treated as Volunteers and not employers, while there is no minimun rates of pay, so there is no "Staff Contract" as there are no staff members but instead volunteers.
When you think of it, there is no legal, or religious reason, why former staff members can not speak from their, special and personal experience in Scientology, to an interested and formal audience that have the legal responsibility to accept or reject Scientology in their constitution. One of the good things of a democracy is that it furthers the right to believe in the future choice of one's own religion, i.e. marriage, the right to work, the right to participate.
The problems of Scientology integration in a society, seems to me, is that it requires an originated Scientology Management transparency, of what does it contribute to a country's democracy, and at least a credible argument that Scientology has anything to do with philosophic and religious reason.
I really have to struggle to imagine what has Hubbard found out in his researches of philosophy and religion, something new, that has not already existed for the last 2000 - 3500 years.
I didn't notice any attempt to reduce the freedom of religious opinion, or to attack the management of the church of Scientology, or to attack democratic rights; but I did notice a sincere attempt to create a transparency from personal experience; "What is Scientology and the conditions that one should know before one has something to do with Scientology?". This event I would recommend to television producers and scholars of religions.
A small piece of personal experience saves thousands of hours of reading questionable propaganda.
The event ended with the sudden appearance of many Anons, who posed for photos with the celebrity speakers, including Mrs. Ursula Caberta.
The 4th of September 2008, Hamburg - A day of spiritual equilibrium was achieved!
Thank you to the Town Hamburg for this innovative opportunity, and especially Mrs. Ursula Caberta, the Hamburg police, the BND, Anonymous, and the very generous celebrity speakers for their honesty to inform.
Socrates
