What I know OSA *HAVE* done and *ARE* doing in ANZO

[Voltaire's Child]

Fluffy,

There are major differences between the generic "Australian" and the generic "American" as best evidenced by the media. Comedy and News are the best examples. Australians have the advantage of UK, US, and local media.

Three UKTV shows that had to be "dumbed down" for the US audience, and only one survived:

Absolutely Fabulous (I don't think it even made it to a pilot)
Red Dwarf (Pilot only, and then abandoned)
Queer as Folk (Five seasons set in Pittsburg, produced and shot in Vancouver)--and definitely far less thought-provoking than the UK version.

The News is equally dumbed-down. When I see the same "story" on Fox as shown as local SBS, there are huge factual discrepancies. When I see local "Australian" news stories that qualify as interesting enough for a US network, the factual omissions are astounding.

Finally, advertising. Australians complain enough about our TV advertising, but I couldn't make it through one day of US TV "in your face" advertising.

I have downloaded radio interviews where the uploader hasn't edited out the advertising--thirty minutes of download to get eight minutes of interview and the rest is over-hyped advertising.

The average American citizen is not stupid, but the US government and media are leading the world in actively working at dumbing down the population, and even Oprah has commented on this phenomenon.

In a simple, and even rude, sense Americans are spoonfed (and appear to readily accept this); whereas Australians more likely to reach for the "off" switch.

Without directly defending Feral, probably the best example of his generalization is: Eight years of georgie bush junior.

Hey, mon, I like Feral. Even though I bet he totally talks funny and eats yeast paste!

Do you not SEE the irony of Oprah commenting on the dumbing down of America via the media? Good lord, man! (Fluffy sez Doprah is a fucking idiot)

I know the perception is that things have to be dumbed down for Americans. And there is some real CRAP on American tv. But just remember, we're the same people who brought Dexter and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Seinfeld to the airwaves. And South Park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know a lot of Americans who don't own tvs or who rarely turn them on. Now, admittedly, due to my membership in Netflix and my having recently gotten a DVR from the cable tv co, I'm not among that number- though I do watch a LOT of history programs.

The ads are no problem. We just zap 'em with our remote controls. Or we take a pee break.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Hey, Clammy...

remember the one with the little black dress? OMG!!!!!!!!!

 

[Feral]

I was teasing, dude.

Vegemite!!

Yeast paste!!

Very scary!

Oh, good!

Now that's settled where should I emigrate to?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Oh, good!

Now that's settled where should I emigrate too?

The U.S. Cuz we don't eat vegemite!!

 

[scooter]

The U.S. Cuz we don't eat vegemite!!

Barbarians!

Is there no civilization in the New World these days?

 

[Good twin]

Barbarians!

Is there no civilization in the New World these days?

Are the Aussies callin US barbarians???

 

[Alanzo]

Fluffy,

There are major differences between the generic "Australian" and the generic "American" as best evidenced by the media. Comedy and News are the best examples. Australians have the advantage of UK, US, and local media.

Three UKTV shows that had to be "dumbed down" for the US audience, and only one survived:

Absolutely Fabulous (I don't think it even made it to a pilot)
Red Dwarf (Pilot only, and then abandoned)
Queer as Folk (Five seasons set in Pittsburg, produced and shot in Vancouver)--and definitely far less thought-provoking than the UK version.

The News is equally dumbed-down. When I see the same "story" on Fox as shown as local SBS, there are huge factual discrepancies. When I see local "Australian" news stories that qualify as interesting enough for a US network, the factual omissions are astounding.

Finally, advertising. Australians complain enough about our TV advertising, but I couldn't make it through one day of US TV "in your face" advertising.

I have downloaded radio interviews where the uploader hasn't edited out the advertising--thirty minutes of download to get eight minutes of interview and the rest is over-hyped advertising.

The average American citizen is not stupid, but the US government and media are leading the world in actively working at dumbing down the population, and even Oprah has commented on this phenomenon.

In a simple, and even rude, sense Americans are spoonfed (and appear to readily accept this); whereas Australians more likely to reach for the "off" switch.

Without directly defending Feral, probably the best example of his generalization is: Eight years of georgie bush junior.

I don't watch Fox News.

And I am as American as they come.

The thing about America, that I have only recently discovered (OK maybe this means I'm a little sloooow, but) the political system in the US is a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. That means that the largest groups with the most money get represented the most in our democracy.

Therefore, commercials for General Electric and Shell Oil on Sunday morning manage to be the ones which can make you cry, and they are also the companies which run our congress and our presidency.

It's always been this way.

And, it probably always will be.

GWB Jr. represented the interests of Big Oil and all the other most moneyed "demos" in our democracy. Abraham Lincoln, a total Goober from the very same cornfields I am from, represented the interests of the railroads - the oil companies of his time. And on and on, over 200 years of commerce that has taken our natural resources and fed us into the obese, farting Neros that any human society would strive for.

You can not run a democracy fairly without representing the biggest and most moneyed forces in the country more equally than all the rest.

That's democracy.

And who was the first country on Earth to create a government BY and FOR the people which recognized the natural rights of its citizens as the basis of all its laws and justice system?

Was it England?

Was it Australia?

Germany, perhaps?

China?

No.

It was the United States of America.

And so if this makes us dumb and fat and stuck to our couches, with our eyes glued to MTV and "American Idol" - then who the fuck are you to criticize it?

Some foreigner, probably!

(Keep watching all the way to the end)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrFW2aYHVR8

 

[Good twin]

That was beeooteeful Lanzo.

(especially Roseann singing)

 

[Alanzo]

That was beeooteeful Lanzo.

(especially Roseann singing)

Godammit, I know it.

I just hate to see America dragged through the mud.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Godammit, I know it.

I just hate to see America dragged through the mud.

I am sentimental too, Alonzo. But we can't live on past accomplishments of past generations.

It is Americans who have dragged our country through the mud. George W. Bush was elected twice. TWICE.

And Sarah Palin is waiting in the wings.

You just have to look at the current discourse on major isues to see that this country may not have the intelligent wherewithal to fix its own self-inflicted problems.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Good twin]

I am sentimental too, Alonzo. But we can't live on past accomplishments of past generations.

It is Americans who have dragged our country through the mud. George W. Bush was elected twice. TWICE.

And Sarah Palin is waiting in the wings.

You just have to look at the current discourse on major isues to see that this country may not have the intelligent wherewithal to fix its own self-inflicted problems.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Come on TAJ. We haven't needed intelligent Wherewithal up to this point. Why start now?:confused2:

 

[Alanzo]

I am sentimental too, Alonzo. But we can't live on past accomplishments of past generations.

It is Americans who have dragged our country through the mud. George W. Bush was elected twice. TWICE.

And Sarah Palin is waiting in the wings.

You just have to look at the current discourse on major isues to see that this country may not have the intelligent wherewithal to fix its own self-inflicted problems.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Hey man.

Sarah Palin is hot.

I'll not have you drag her intelligence through the mud when there are foreigners watching. She would have been the hottest Vice President in US history.

COME ON!

Who wants to check out Joe Biden's ass as he walks on to stage to give a speech???

 

[scooter]

All right - I'll buy into this even tho' I'm not a mercan.

Like the Romans in their time of world domination, the mercans have grown fat on the labour of others (usually in other poorer countries) and so believe that everybody else wants to be mercans because so many foreigners want to go there.

Same as many people wanna come to stralya - country of opportunity where everybody gets to eat well, has good schooling for all, maybe even buy your own house and you children and grandchildren have a chance of not being shot in the next "change of government."

The mercans have by and large lost their thirst for freedom and so let it slip away while they're watching cop shows or Mercan Idol or downloading porn or football games or whatever else gets you through the night.

There's no general awareness that all is not well in the world, that there are people starving because there is no food to be gotten, that your government could shoot you or torture you and your family simply because someone doesn't like you.

Mud? Mercans wallow in it.

NOW can we get back to the thread?

It's about ANZO. OSA. Their crimes.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Hey, mon, I like Feral. Even though I bet he totally talks funny and eats yeast paste!

Do you not SEE the irony of Oprah commenting on the dumbing down of America via the media? Good lord, man! (Fluffy sez Doprah is a fucking idiot)

I know the perception is that things have to be dumbed down for Americans. And there is some real CRAP on American tv. But just remember, we're the same people who brought Dexter and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Seinfeld to the airwaves. And South Park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know a lot of Americans who don't own tvs or who rarely turn them on. Now, admittedly, due to my membership in Netflix and my having recently gotten a DVR from the cable tv co, I'm not among that number- though I do watch a LOT of history programs.

The ads are no problem. We just zap 'em with our remote controls. Or we take a pee break.

Seinfeld was an insult to the intelligence, and yes, some of the Brit stuff has equally sucked.

 

[RogerB]

Spoken Like True America!

I don't watch Fox News.

And I am as American as they come.

The thing about America, that I have only recently discovered (OK maybe this means I'm a little sloooow, but) the political system in the US is a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. That means that the largest groups with the most money get represented the most in our democracy.

Therefore, commercials for General Electric and Shell Oil on Sunday morning manage to be the ones which can make you cry, and they are also the companies which run our congress and our presidency.

It's always been this way.

And, it probably always will be.

GWB Jr. represented the interests of Big Oil and all the other most moneyed "demos" in our democracy. Abraham Lincoln, a total Goober from the very same cornfields I am from, represented the interests of the railroads - the oil companies of his time. And on and on, over 200 years of commerce that has taken our natural resources and fed us into the obese, farting Neros that any human society would strive for.

You can not run a democracy fairly without representing the biggest and most moneyed forces in the country more equally than all the rest.

That's democracy.

And who was the first country on Earth to create a government BY and FOR the people which recognized the natural rights of its citizens as the basis of all its laws and justice system?

Was it England?

Was it Australia?

Germany, perhaps?

China?

No.

It was the United States of America.

And so if this makes us dumb and fat and stuck to our couches, with our eyes glued to MTV and "American Idol" - then who the fuck are you to criticize it?

Some foreigner, probably!

Spoken like a true American, Alanzo!

Yes, America invented everything and won all the wars without any help from the Brits who fought the nasties to a standstill before the Yanks arrived to get some credit so they could make those wonderful Hollywood versions of how they did it!

But what about Magna Carta? What about the "mother of all parliaments" that represents its people? The Yanks copied the Brits! Your Bill of Rights copied their Bill of Rights

Actually, it is very edifying to be able to compare various World News programs (from England and Oz and elsewhere) to what is fed to Americans by Americans on mainstream media! Gaaaawd!

If you want to be offended, do that comparison . . . not only on the specifics as to the coverage on the same news items; but as to the selection of what is important to report as news!

Whoa . . . as I actually said to one of my staff after I'd been in the US after several months interfaced with the executives of corporate America: "These characters are semi-literate, and don't know it!"

RogerB

 

[Good twin]

Roger......some of us know it....

 

[RogerB]

Yep!

Roger......some of us know it....

Yep, GT, I'll even admit there are some smart Americans; like there's some dumb, really dumb Ozzies

You qualify as to being the former

R

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Seinfeld was an insult to the intelligence, and yes, some of the Brit stuff has equally sucked.

Oh, I disagree. Seinfeld was wickedly funny. Very well written.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Barbarians!

Is there no civilization in the New World these days?

Well, Americans'll just have to get our B vitamins some other way. (shudder)

 

[KnightVision]

So if these types of prejudiced generalities about americans are indicative of the this board's Aussie 'critical thinking' ability... what does that tell us about the legitimacy of their views of how to deal with their OSA problems?