Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuels

[Enthetan]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Sounds good in theory. However, Mike Moore's pseudo-CofS group APIS (The Association of Professional Independent Scientologists) [I usually call it by the pejorative fake acronym IFAP for International Freezone Association of Professionals as he used to call it IFA, the International Freezone Association, but changed it to cash in on Marty Rathbun/Steve Hall's Independent Scientologists creation years ago] has used that name for several years. I vaguely remember one cult challenge to the APIS full name that he successfully repelled.

The domain name www.freezonescientology.com has been completely unchallenged since 2005.

There are probably many other examples.

Paul

You make a good point.

Then again " Independent Scientologists" suggests a non-connection with the CoS, while "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech", with no modifier on "Scientologists" suggests a connection with CoS. Just my theory and opinion.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Then again " Independent Scientologists" suggests a non-connection with the CoS, while "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech", with no modifier on "Scientologists" suggests a connection with CoS. Just my theory and opinion.

Yeah. I think that this Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech is highly unlikely to be anything other than a CofS op. They don't even need any answers to their "interog" and probably don't expect any. It all fits in with their How to Do a Noisy Investigation tech (see http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/4470/). If a bunch of your friends and family and business associates all receive a questionnaire or phone call asking questions like the below, it has an effect nevertheless.

"The Citizen's Commission for Internet Purity is conducting an investigation into [Enthetan] for any crimes committed.

1. Have you any information about [Enthetan's] possible involvement with terrorist factions?

2. Have you any information about [Enthetan's] possible involvement with child porn groups?

3. Have you any information about [Enthetan's] financial contributions to criminal racist organizations?"

Etc​

Paul

 

[Anonycat]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Sounds good in theory. However, Mike Moore's pseudo-CofS group APIS (The Association of Professional Independent Scientologists) [I usually call it by the pejorative fake acronym IFAP for International Freezone Association of Professionals as he used to call it IFA, the International Freezone Association, but changed it to cash in on Marty Rathbun/Steve Hall's Independent Scientologists* creation years ago] has used that name for several years. I vaguely remember one cult challenge to the APIS full name that he successfully repelled.

* See http://www.iscientology.org/ (one of Steve Hall's sites) with the heading "Independent Scientology."

The domain name www.freezonescientology.com has been completely unchallenged since 2005.

There are probably many other examples.

Paul

I love it! I-FAP? Whoa, TMI!!

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Leaving aside the issue of whether this is an OSA op (like I said, I believe it probably is), I have another question.

Would anyone answer an Interrogatory from "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech" if they didn't know who "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech" were?

Seriously, are Scientologists so at effect, so submissive, so conditioned to comply with orders, that they would answer an Interrogatory by an entity called "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech" when they have no idea what the entity is, who its members are, who controls it, or whether it is COS or Indie?

I'm going to reply to my own comment to add the possibility this is a push poll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

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A push poll is an interactive marketing technique, most commonly employed during political campaigning, in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of voters under the guise of conducting a poll.

In a push poll, large numbers of voters are contacted briefly (often less than 60 seconds), and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls may rely on innuendo or knowledge gleaned from opposition research on an opponent.

Push polls are generally viewed as a form of negative campaigning.[1] Indeed, the term is commonly (and confusingly) used in a broader sense to refer to legitimate polls that aim to test negative political messages.[2] Future usage of the term will determine whether the strict or broad definition becomes the most favored definition. However, in all such polls, the pollster asks leading questions or suggestive questions that "push" the interviewee towards adopting an unfavourable response towards the political candidate.

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[CommunicatorIC]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

It is interesting how the Religious Liberty League says it is not affiliated with the Cof$ yet it is tax exempt. How can it be both?

Because it independently applied for and acquired 501(c)(3) tax exempt status, and did not rely on the blanket 501(c)(3) tax-exemption the IRS granted to the "official," trademarked Church of Scientology. This is thoroughly discussed in the following thread:

Tax Exempt Independent Scientology: Religious Liberty League

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ependent-Scientology-Religious-Liberty-League

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League responds to Tech Interrogatories

Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League responds to Standard Tech Interrogatories

Religious Liberty League: Black Propaganda, Live

http://religiouslibertyleague.org/black-propaganda-live/


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In the past 24 hours, reports have flooded into Religious Liberty League about so-called interrogatories asking insinuating questions about various named field auditors. For instance, “Are you aware of any attempt by _______ (field auditor) to make less of LRH or his tech?”

The same questions were asked about different auditors in separate emails, and the thinly-veiled OSA (Office of Special Affairs) operation was done under the guise of “Ty Jones” on behalf of the supposed “Scientologists Coalition for Standard Tech.”

This is an example of black propaganda, albeit a third-rate one – it’s too obvious, and it represents an inverted reality: Miscavige is the one who has made less of LRH and his tech by altering and perverting it into a shadow of itself, and a form of reverse Scientology.

So, what’s up?

Let’s review HCOPL 11 May 71, Black PR, in which Ron states: “Anyone engaging in black propaganda is either using a wrong way to right a wrong or confessing he can’t make it in open competition.”

The second reason sets off the bells and whistles for us. Altered tech at unreasonable prices with relentless, heavy-handed grabs for donations and being told who you can associate with, what you should think and how your should behave, is a pretty tough sell against any competition, not to mention Standard Tech at reasonable prices, delivered in safe environments.

Apparently, Miscavige is feeling the heat!

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[AnonyMary]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Sheila ~~

Only OSA sends out *Anonymous* Email about auditing. No field person sends out *Anonymous* email asking for dirt. OSA would like to start wars between these factions and wants *stories* where it can publish them as told by OTHERS...to RUIN THEM UTTERLY. This only started with the Vannier and Jackson (and their high priced lawyers on retainer) starting the Independent Church of Scientology ~~ which is now actually a legal entity.)
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[/B]

Karen, since the Scientology Religious Liberty League is not registered as a church, nor calling itself one to my knowledge, which entity are you referring to as "Independent Church of Scientology" in your comment, above?

And are you saying definitively that Jim Jackson is a founder and working with Vannier in operating the Scientology Religious Liberty League? There have been questions about this before. I myself suspect Jim is working with Vannier but it's just a hunch on my part. The two of them together is like mixing oil and water. Not a good association, IMHO. Vannier's history of backstabbing and damaging the lives of good people precedes him

Thanks

 

[Karen#1]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Karen, since the Scientology Religious Liberty League is not registered as a church, nor calling itself one to my knowledge, which entity are you referring to as "Independent Church of Scientology" in your comment, above?

And are you saying definitively that Jim Jackson is a founder and working with Vannier in operating the Scientology Religious Liberty League? There have been questions about this before. I myself suspect Jim is working with Vannier but it's just a hunch on my part. The two of them together is like mixing oil and water. Not a good association, IMHO. Vannier's history of backstabbing and damaging the lives of good people precedes him

Thanks

An Independent Church of Scientology has been registered as a legal entity. I don't know that I have the exact name right, but there is now a legal entity and this is separate from Religious Liberty league, the 501C3.

There are several behind RLL with a couple of whales as well. Jim and Merrill have had a 40 year relationship.

I do not underestimate what effect this can have on the CULT that has allowed free use of their :::::ahem::::*trademarks* by Freezone for some 25 years.
No one has EVER challenged the Cult's trademarks with litigation, this is a new launch of the litigation it is heading into.​

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[WildKat]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Karen, since the Scientology Religious Liberty League is not registered as a church, nor calling itself one to my knowledge, which entity are you referring to as "Independent Church of Scientology" in your comment, above?

And are you saying definitively that Jim Jackson is a founder and working with Vannier in operating the Scientology Religious Liberty League? There have been questions about this before. I myself suspect Jim is working with Vannier but it's just a hunch on my part. The two of them together is like mixing oil and water. Not a good association, IMHO. Vannier's history of backstabbing and damaging the lives of good people precedes him

Thanks

This is Merrell's website introducing Religious Liberty League.
http://blog.savescientology.com

I believe Vannier and Jackson have been working together for some time, I think this was alluded to in Vannier's book, (Jackson referred to as "Letterhead") and I think this was pretty well confirmed in the series of letters Jackson wrote to the church which were published on-line by a newspaper recently. I'll try to find the link to that.

Here it is....
http://www.tampabay.com/news/scient...ntants-novel-strategy-get-insiders-to/2245311

The letters are in links below article.

Anyway, I think Vannier and Jackson are passionate about saving Hub's legacy. They've both been declared, but not yet "disinfected" and still want to "save" shit.

 

[Northern Shewolf]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Old Chinese proverb:
If you carry a wolf all dogs will bark at you.
Shewolf

 

[Churchill]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

By the use of the term "Scientologists Coalition For Standard Tech", they are holding themselves out as a group of Scientologists.

RTC can not allow a group to present themselves as "Scientologists" (not "ex-Scientologists", but "Scientologists", implying a current state of being one) and still preserve their trademark rights.

If they were truly an Indie group with that name, then within an hour of OSA learning of their existence, they would

1. Send an email to the group demanding they cease all use of the trademarked term "Scientologists"
2. Send a legal demand to Google to take down the email address, and
3. Send a legal demand to Google for any and all information that could assist them in locating the real world location of the email address owners so they could be served with papers

If the email address is still up, then that would be circumstantial evidence that it is there with the approval of RTC and OSA.

It could be an attempt to deliberately muddy the waters to the point where it becomes next to impossible to differentiate between them.

This could possibly hinder future prosecution.

Sorta' like how does one tell a member of the Nazi Party, from a skinhead, or from the Aryan Brotherhood?

They all essentially subscribe to the same crap.

 

[Veda]

Re: Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League responds to Tech Interrogatories

One thing they have in common is the tendency to lie about Hubbard and Scientology. That's practically the definition of a Scientologist.

Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League responds to Standard Tech Interrogatories

Religious Liberty League: Black Propaganda, Live

http://religiouslibertyleague.org/black-propaganda-live/


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In the past 24 hours, reports have flooded into Religious Liberty League about so-called interrogatories asking insinuating questions about various named field auditors. For instance, “Are you aware of any attempt by _______ (field auditor) to make less of LRH or his tech?”

The same questions were asked about different auditors in separate emails, and the thinly-veiled OSA (Office of Special Affairs) operation was done under the guise of “Ty Jones” on behalf of the supposed “Scientologists Coalition for Standard Tech.”

This is an example of black propaganda, albeit a third-rate one – it’s too obvious, and it represents an inverted reality: Miscavige is the one who has made less of LRH and his tech by altering and perverting it into a shadow of itself, and a form of reverse Scientology.

So, what’s up?

Let’s review HCOPL 11 May 71, Black PR, in which Ron states: “Anyone engaging in black propaganda is either using a wrong way to right a wrong or confessing he can’t make it in open competition.”

-snip-

The above quote is from 'PR Series 7'.

Makes it sound as though Hubbard was an honest and decent fellow, until one reads further.


Another bit of deliberately misleading lip service from Hubbard is from 'PR Series 2':

"Never use lies in PR." That's what Hubbard called "PR of PR," or "nicey nicey PR."

It's that part of Scientology PR tech, placed on display, that shrouds the rest (less visible) part of Scientology PR tech. Most PR tech issues are not confidential, but there are some confidential issues of the PR Series. And even the non confidential PR Series has some unwholesome content.


For example, from 'PR Series 18':

"Statements one makes can be curved. 'She had a birthday party', becomes 'The delinquents inner circle gathered yesterday for a sex orgy and pretended to the police that it was a birthday party. No one was jailed'."


As 'PR Series 7' explains: "PR is overt. Intelligence is covert."

The more unwholesome PR or Propaganda become, the more covert they are to become.


From the February 1969 confidential HCOPL 'Battle Tactics':

"The only safe public opinion to head for is they love us and are in a frenzy of hate against the enemy... this means standard wartime propaganda is what one is doing... Know the mores of your public opinion, what they hate. That's the enemy. What they love. That's you."

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A brief conversation about the overt/covert pattern of Scientology:

#1: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392325&postcount=38

#2: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392327&postcount=39

#3: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392331&postcount=40

 

[Enthetan]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Sorta' like how does one tell a member of the Nazi Party, from a skinhead, or from the Aryan Brotherhood?

Nazi uniforms had better tailoring.

 

[Cat Daddy]

Re: Independent Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY on Glenn Samuel

Nazi uniforms had better tailoring.

Hugo Boss

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Independent Scientology Milestone Two responds to Tech Interrogatories

Independent Scientology Milestone Two responds to Tech Interrogatories.

Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League responds to Standard Tech Interrogatories

Religious Liberty League: Black Propaganda, Live

http://religiouslibertyleague.org/black-propaganda-live/


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In the past 24 hours, reports have flooded into Religious Liberty League about so-called interrogatories asking insinuating questions about various named field auditors. For instance, “Are you aware of any attempt by _______ (field auditor) to make less of LRH or his tech?”

The same questions were asked about different auditors in separate emails, and the thinly-veiled OSA (Office of Special Affairs) operation was done under the guise of “Ty Jones” on behalf of the supposed “Scientologists Coalition for Standard Tech.”

This is an example of black propaganda, albeit a third-rate one – it’s too obvious, and it represents an inverted reality: Miscavige is the one who has made less of LRH and his tech by altering and perverting it into a shadow of itself, and a form of reverse Scientology.

So, what’s up?

Let’s review HCOPL 11 May 71, Black PR, in which Ron states: “Anyone engaging in black propaganda is either using a wrong way to right a wrong or confessing he can’t make it in open competition.”

The second reason sets off the bells and whistles for us. Altered tech at unreasonable prices with relentless, heavy-handed grabs for donations and being told who you can associate with, what you should think and how your should behave, is a pretty tough sell against any competition, not to mention Standard Tech at reasonable prices, delivered in safe environments.

Apparently, Miscavige is feeling the heat!

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Independent Scientology Milestone Two has linked and responded to the above article by the Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League.

Black PR

https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/black-pr/

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Black PR

Posted by Lana M.

January 16, 2016

By MS2 Admin

There is a good article from on the Religious Liberty League blog in the last few days on the subject of Black Propaganda. You can read it here.

In our experience, over the last 3 years, Black Propaganda is the chief resource used by the C of S and by those who oppose Scientology to try and quell, unmock and confuse delivery of standard Scientology in the field.

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[CommunicatorIC]

Mike Rinder on Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY

Mike Rinder on Scientology Coalition For Standard Tech INTERROGATORY.

Mike Rinder has now addressed this, and has provided a copy of the Interrogatory.

Mike Rinder: “Standard Tech” Fair Game

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/standard-tech-fair-game/

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So, what is this?

Most likely — some project put together by RTC or OSA to get a “volunteer” (most likely a public scientologist trying to get approved to go onto some OT level that has to prove their dedication to the cause) to set up a phony account and send out an email to the OSA mailing list of declared SPs and others. And they think they might get lucky and some less than bright person may answer and give them some information they can use. Or,

Highly unlikely in my view: Milestone Two has decided to “put ethics in on the field” and sent this out. But this does not fit their pattern as they don’t hide their identity and have no reason to do so.

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